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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8100111" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>[USER=15882]@TaranTheWanderer[/USER] </p><p></p><p><strong><u>Rules for Hiding:</u></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Step 1:</strong> Make yourself 'unable to be seen clearly'. This can be achieved by ducking behind cover, entering heavy obscurement (smoke, magical darkness etc) or by being <em>invisible </em>(which counts as heavy obscurement for the purposes of hiding).</p><p></p><p><strong>Step 2:</strong> The DM agrees that 'the circumstances are appropriate for hiding'. In some cases, the DM might rule that you cannot hide where you are, for example, if you're in a room with a single monster, it's watching you closely, and there is only a single bit of cover in the room (like a lone pillar) for you to move over to and hide behind. No matter how hard you try to hide in such a situation, it's not going to work.</p><p></p><p><strong>Step 3: </strong>If you are now unable to be seen clearly, AND the DM agrees the circumstances are appropriate for hiding, you may now attempt to hide<strong> via the Hide action.</strong> You make a Stealth check opposed by the Passive perception of nearby creatures. If you roll higher than the Perception scores of at least one monster, you are now <em>Hidden</em> relative to that monster or monsters, and your Check result is the DC of any subsequent Perception checks of those creatures to find you.</p><p></p><p>You remain hidden until any of the following happen:</p><p></p><p><strong>1)</strong> You do something to reveal yourself (scream out, knock over a vase etc)</p><p><strong>2) </strong>You attack someone. You reveal yourself automatically after resolving your attack, Hit or Miss.</p><p><strong>3)</strong> A creature you are hidden from finds you, usually via them taking the Search action, and rolling higher on their Perception check than your Stealth check result.</p><p><strong>4)</strong> You leave your cover, your <em>invisibility </em>ceases, or you cease being unseen for any reason.</p><p></p><p>Finally, in SOME cases, the DM <strong>might </strong>rule that you are hidden without you needing to make a Stealth check, and without you needing to take the Hide action. These circumstances are usually outliers, and reserved for unusual situations, including things like:</p><p></p><p><strong>a) </strong>An <em>invisible </em>pixie, hovering near a waterfall, 200' away from the battle.</p><p><strong>b)</strong> A creature inside a room of magical darkness, and subject to a <em>silence </em>spell.</p><p><strong>c) </strong>A rogue, 100' away from the battle, behind a maze of crates, while his companions set off a series of explosions of multiple barrels of gunpowder, and their barbarian buddy distracts the monster by engaging it melee combat.</p><p></p><p>etc.</p><p></p><p>Are there any questions or challenges to my explanation of the rules above?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8100111, member: 6788736"] [USER=15882]@TaranTheWanderer[/USER] [B][U]Rules for Hiding:[/U] Step 1:[/B] Make yourself 'unable to be seen clearly'. This can be achieved by ducking behind cover, entering heavy obscurement (smoke, magical darkness etc) or by being [I]invisible [/I](which counts as heavy obscurement for the purposes of hiding). [B]Step 2:[/B] The DM agrees that 'the circumstances are appropriate for hiding'. In some cases, the DM might rule that you cannot hide where you are, for example, if you're in a room with a single monster, it's watching you closely, and there is only a single bit of cover in the room (like a lone pillar) for you to move over to and hide behind. No matter how hard you try to hide in such a situation, it's not going to work. [B]Step 3: [/B]If you are now unable to be seen clearly, AND the DM agrees the circumstances are appropriate for hiding, you may now attempt to hide[B] via the Hide action.[/B] You make a Stealth check opposed by the Passive perception of nearby creatures. If you roll higher than the Perception scores of at least one monster, you are now [I]Hidden[/I] relative to that monster or monsters, and your Check result is the DC of any subsequent Perception checks of those creatures to find you. You remain hidden until any of the following happen: [B]1)[/B] You do something to reveal yourself (scream out, knock over a vase etc) [B]2) [/B]You attack someone. You reveal yourself automatically after resolving your attack, Hit or Miss. [B]3)[/B] A creature you are hidden from finds you, usually via them taking the Search action, and rolling higher on their Perception check than your Stealth check result. [B]4)[/B] You leave your cover, your [I]invisibility [/I]ceases, or you cease being unseen for any reason. Finally, in SOME cases, the DM [B]might [/B]rule that you are hidden without you needing to make a Stealth check, and without you needing to take the Hide action. These circumstances are usually outliers, and reserved for unusual situations, including things like: [B]a) [/B]An [I]invisible [/I]pixie, hovering near a waterfall, 200' away from the battle. [B]b)[/B] A creature inside a room of magical darkness, and subject to a [I]silence [/I]spell. [B]c) [/B]A rogue, 100' away from the battle, behind a maze of crates, while his companions set off a series of explosions of multiple barrels of gunpowder, and their barbarian buddy distracts the monster by engaging it melee combat. etc. Are there any questions or challenges to my explanation of the rules above? [/QUOTE]
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