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<blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 8100121" data-attributes="member: 15882">I never said Hiding would auto-succeed or that perception would auto-fail.&nbsp; I said that since using sight to locate someone auto-fails, and since they are forced to use other senses, I'd give them disadvantage on the perception (or passive perception) to notice them.Maybe your threshold for disadvantage is higher than mine.&nbsp; Maybe if the person was hiding invisibly AND on the edge of a Silence spell, you'd adjudicate that all Perception checks auto-fail.&nbsp; Or maybe you'd adjudicate that there's a chance that someone could still smell them.&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe, given they can only use sense of smell, you'd adjudicate that they'd have disadvantage to notice.&nbsp; Or maybe you'd adjudicate that smell is enough to warrant using Passive Perception at no penalty.I feel that, if you have 0 chance of using one or more of your senses, you probably are at some kind of penalty.I'm pretty sure I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread.&nbsp; I was just asking for clarifications.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TaranTheWanderer, post: 8100121, member: 15882"] I never said Hiding would auto-succeed or that perception would auto-fail. I said that since using sight to locate someone auto-fails, and since they are forced to use other senses, I'd give them disadvantage on the perception (or passive perception) to notice them. Maybe your threshold for disadvantage is higher than mine. Maybe if the person was hiding invisibly AND on the edge of a Silence spell, you'd adjudicate that all Perception checks auto-fail. Or maybe you'd adjudicate that there's a chance that someone could still [I]smell[/I] them. Maybe, given they can only use sense of smell, you'd adjudicate that they'd have disadvantage to notice. Or maybe you'd adjudicate that smell is enough to warrant using Passive Perception at no penalty. I feel that, if you have 0 chance of using one or more of your senses, you probably are at some kind of penalty. I'm pretty sure I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread. I was just asking for clarifications. [/QUOTE]

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