Greatest Villain Every

[GMforPowergamers]

Then again, when we get enough here we should debate!

ok so who do we have so far:
Ozymandias
Davros (Doctor Who)
Emperor Palpatine
Luca Blight (Suikoden II), Prince of Highland
Syndrome, from The Incredibles
Kafka
Dracula.
Iggwilv, the Witch-Queen
Iuz
Roy Batty (Bladerunner)
Doomsday/Armagedon Beast (Death of superman)
David Xanatos (Gargoyal cartoon)
Bill
Voldemort
Blackie Duquesne
Lavos
The Joker is probably one of the greatest comics villains ever invented.
Ursula Disney's the Little Mermaid

so lets all go through and see what we think of them...how about everyone put 1 or 2 sentences togather for each, and we see how we feel. Maybe then we can fork this to a vote/elmenation thread...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

on a scale from 1-10 I would say:

Ozymandias 7...he did win, and it was a fun read, and he did kill a large number, he seams to fit the list well

Davros (Doctor Who) 7 again he seams like low end of this list, I mean he really does get shut down and beat alot...

Emperor Palpatine 3 I see this one more of a "writer on your side" victory then any real cleverness or power...I would vote him off the island...

Luca Blight (Suikoden II), Prince of Highland who?

Syndrome, from The Incredibles 3 he seams to be what the op is talking about, outside of his movie is he really a BA???

Kafka who?

Dracula. 8 Major cool points but loses something in the over all too easy/ too many flaws department

Iggwilv, the Witch-Queen who?

Iuz 1 why is he even on this list...

Roy Batty (Bladerunner) 1 see above

Doomsday/Armagedon Beast (Death of superman) 9 he is one of my two, and the one that again wins, and kills an icon, but his brute status does leave him a littl flat

David Xanatos (Gargoyal cartoon) 12 he is evil batman and evil Ironman mixed with sherlock holems...he wis, he only ever sufferes mild setbacks, ow and did I menton he has puck (yea the puck) as a sidekick/lacky

Bill 5 not bad, but the movie again was all him, outside of the setup I am not sure he qualfies...

Voldemort 5 beaten by 'love' and a gang of untrained kids does not endear me to the villain, I mean this story has dues ex written all over it (mind you I liked and own every harry potter book)

Blackie Duquesne who?

Lavos who?

The Joker 10...yea if xanatos and him aren't int he final 4 I will be mad, this guy crippled batgirl, killed a robin, knows Bruce wayne is batman, and is still a crazy SOB who lives in the city with the highest per capita crazy SOBs and is still considered the 'clown prince of crime' and that is just in 1 countinuity... lets not forget just main line DCU he is still a bad ass...

Ursula Disney's the Little Mermaid 8 good solde choice, but I don't see her makeing it...

 

[lexoanvil]

Name:Lavos

1) Track record: maniplulated humanity over thousands of years to its own ends
2) Success rate: perfectly until time travel is involved
3) How close to winning they get: wins until time travel is involved
4) Style: feeding off the planet and its inhabitants resulting in a world shattering apocalypse

if it is unclear to anyone who hasn't played chrono trigger *gasp* lavos is an alien life form who plummeted to earth in ancient times and gave humans access to magic in return for manipulating them for thousands of years in order to grow powerful enough to end the world.he also has a nasty habbit of being able to spawn copys of himself and is very much so is an example of the villain who wont die no matter how many times you kill him.

 

[nightwyrm]

Kafka: Have people not played Final Fantasy VI ?

Crazy, genocidal clown who became a god and blew up the world.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

Well, how are you judging success? If it is most people killed, for example, then it is hard to beat Emperor "Superweapon of the Month Club" Palpatine. If it is motivation -- technically he loses, since he had the excuse of prepping for galactic invasion. The Joker has a wonderful motivation -- the creation of chaos and proving that nobody is better than him. If it has to do with complexity of plotting -- well, there is a reason they call it a Xanatos Gambit.

So...what are our criteria? So far we're just listing demographic data.

Part of me is also hearing Dana Carvey saying, "Could it be...SATAN?"

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

Also, we need to narrow the field a bit. There are an almost infinite number of villains from which to choose.

Agent Smith (The Matrix)
Lex Luthor (Superman -- almost any incarnation)
Jason Voorhees (Friday the 13th)
Dr. Evil (Austin Powers)
Dracula (many, many, many)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
KHAN!
Magneto (X-Men)
Norman Bates (Psycho)
Randall Flagg (The Stand, plus other King works)
Shan Yu (Mulan)
Terminators (various)
Sauron (LotR)
Harry Lime (The Third Man)
Jarlaxle Baenre (Forgotten Realms)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Star Wars)
Alfred Bester (Babylon 5)
Scorpius (Farscape)
Gaius Baltar (Battlestar Galactica)
Asmodeus (any D&D)

You could make arguments for any of these...

 

[Jhaelen]

Kafka: Have people not played Final Fantasy VI

Errm, nope. I just know (and like!) the author and was thinking: WTH?!

 

[CorditeJimmy]

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Scorpius (Farscape)

Surely a close contender for best villain. Plays both sides in a galactic conflict to achieve his own ends, drives the protagonist blitheringly insane, has more style than you can shake a stick at, and ends up with a red-headed sidekick.

 

[Tinker Gnome]

Errm, nope. I just know (and like!) the author and was thinking: WTH?!

I think he meant "Kefka".

 

[DrunkonDuty]

Doctor Doom.
Success Rate. Low. He get's his arse handed to him by the heroes (and the bloody FF at that) time and time again. But he keeps bouncing back with a new world dominating plot. And several times he's had the heroes on the ropes and let them go because he didn't like the way the victory would be won (either not honourable or it didn't satisfy his ego.)

Track Record. He's always got something on the boil. Let's face it, he's dedicated to becoming humanity's overlord. And he'd do a good job too: those trains would run on time. YEah, yeah, people who disagree with him would disappear in the night but that's the price of order right?

How Close to Winning: See success rate. He's come close to victory many times. Damn those spandex wearing fools!

Style: well here's where he gets his points. The guy's got style coming out his wazoo. I mean his name is Victor von Doom. OK, he may have changed it by deed poll, but it's still his name. And he will let victory slip from his grasp if it isn't going to be the right sort of victory. That's way cool.