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Greece Campaign Questions.

Darklance said:
Also, a question on names. I seems that first names are all that are ever used by the greeks. Sometimes you will hear Isocrates of Athens. Or Isocrates son of Syriscos. Did last names not exist or were they just not used?

There wasn't any consistent system involving family names, no.

Generally you had one name, and if there was any possibility of confusion (or you wanted to give more information) you might say who your father was, or what tribe or deme you were from, or something like that.
 

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Caution, not to take Agback's statement for granted. What he's said is quite true, must it must be precised that dry (ie not damp) papyrus will still rot in any environment with an atmospheric humidity above Egypt's ! Egypt is not only dry, bur Hot-dessicating(-ly) dry ! It is so hot and so dry that many of the mushrooms and bacteria involved in rotting do not live there.

But even in Egypt, very few of the total corpus of papyri remains.
This is the reason why there is so much non-monumental scriptures found of Mesopotamia (records, hostories, accounts, contracts) (there were inscribed on dry clay tablets taht eventually were cooked during arsons (which happened any time there was a war, since it was a culture based on heavy city-centralization)), whereas the majority of the egyptian corpus is monumental, religious or propagandal writing. (With, of course, the exceptions Agback's mentionned)
The same for many parts of the antic world (the main scribing material has been papyrus in all the mediterranean area until the importation of paper in the Arabo-Turkish world in the 12th century).
In the other hand, the use of parchment and velum allowed for better conservation of scriptures. But it is more a Frankish custom, and was disseminated in europe and into Maghreb from this point.

Hav,'t ENWorld Messageboards become very scientifc of lately ? ;°)

As for Family Names, what has been said prevously is true until the end of Alexander's Reign, and the advent of the Diadokoi (his generals who partook the remnants of his empire). With this, the hellenic area became sort of feodal, and your family became important (just as in Rome), and the names became like what it is in modern-Russia ... and yes it comes from the greeks (from the Byzantian Era), that is : Personal Name - Father Name (Genitive, as in 'son of'), and Familly name. It was, however, unwidespread (there was not so much room for many prestigious families, as the prestige came from military prowess and ranking in a single army of a single (even if huge) campaign, until the Romans colonized the former Macedonian Empire in the end of the 2nd century BC, and widespread their own custom (Family name was important for thems since they should be able to remlate to one of the fouonding family of rome (the 100 gens).
The most famous greek family name of the Hellenistic period should be Ptolemeus, as, you noticed it already, it has been used my many a ruler of Egypt.
 
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I know horses were not but did people keep oxen to pull carts? I'm trying to find out how trade would have taken place with no horses....hand pulled?
 



Its great to see lots of interest in Anicent Greece. I have found this to be very informative and now I too want to run a Classical Greek RPG.

Just out of interest, does anybody have any information on running an Byzantine era RPG?

bmcdaniel, is it possible that you can email your handout as well?

Thank you to all who have made this very informative.

JS
 

jimstama :

We could discuss a byzantine setting on ather thread, I am pretty sure that the same people involved in this one would be competent.

Create a new 'byzantine' thread, jimstama, we'll join you, and maybe other people as well.
 

Pike ?

Have any of you used the very long pike (sarissa) in your Greek campaign? I am considering including it with the following statistics:

Pike: This spear is so long that it has 15 foot reach. It is so unwieldy that it only threatens three adjacent squares at that distance. Changing the threatened area is a move-equivalent action (that can be combined with movement). Like a spear, a pike can be set to receive a charge. The Pike is an exotic weapon.

Pike: 1d8 damage, 20x3 critical, 15 lb., piercing, 15 foot reach (special), Large weapon, Exotic. 30 gp.
 

Re: Pike ?

bmcdaniel said:
Have any of you used the very long pike (sarissa) in your Greek campaign? I am considering including it with the following statistics:

Pike: This spear is so long that it has 15 foot reach. [But] It is so unwieldy that it only threatens three adjacent squares at that distance. Changing the threatened area is a move-equivalent action (that can be combined with movement). Like a spear, a pike can be set to receive a charge. The Pike is an exotic weapon.

Pike: 1d8 damage, 20x3 critical, 15 lb., piercing, 15 foot reach (special), Large weapon, Exotic. 30 gp.
I have it listed as an available weapon for my Hellenistic campaign but I have not statted it out. Your version looks good, but I would not make it an exotic weapon, just a martial one.

After all, its utility is very limited in most adventuring settings and various culture have used pikes with fairly minimal training, the problem (as I recall) was always keeping the troop from panicing when attacked by charging enemy troops (especially cavalry). As a martial weapon you might occasionally see PCs using these, otherwise . . .
 

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