Green Ronin Crowdfunding Legal Defense Fund In Fight Against Diamond Distrubutors

Company fighting to get its stock back.
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Green Ronin Publishing has set up a crowdfunding campaign to help cover legal fees fighting to get back their inventory from Diamond Comic Distributors in what it describes as "a dire financial threat to our company, not just today, but well into the future".

Diamond, which filed for Bankruptcy in January, still holds the stock of Green Ronin and over one hundred other companies in its warehouse, and has asked the court for ownership of that inventory so that it can liquidate it and pay its creditors. The distributor, while being mainly comic-book focused, also serves as distributor for some toy and TTRPG companies, including Green Ronin, Paizo, Goodman Games, and Roll For Combat.

The GoFundMe had raised $17K at the time of writing, with over 200 donations.

Paizo Publishing, also affected, has announced that its upcoming releases will not be available at major bookstores or at Amazon because the company has stopped shipping products to Diamond. This includes 12 August releases and 10 September releases, such as Starfinder Player Core, Starfinder GM Core, Pathfinder Battlecry, and more.

The court has scheduled a hearing on July 21 to hear objections from the affected vendors.

My name is Nicole Lindroos, co-owner of Green Ronin Publishing. Diamond Comic Distributors' recent Chapter 11 bankruptcy has impacted over 100 independent publishers, including Green Ronin, putting us in a very precarious position. Diamond is attempting to use a legal technicality to claim ownership of millions of dollars worth of consigned inventory, which amounts to several hundreds of thousands of dollars for Green Ronin Publishing alone. This is stock that we still own and have not been paid for.

This is a dire financial threat to our company, not just today, but well into the future. We must secure legal representation immediately before the deadline to do so passes.

While there is no "good" time for someone to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of your property to sell for the benefit of their biggest creditors, it is especially challenging given that Gen Con is weeks away. Gen Con is not just a convention for us, it's our most important annual event for connecting with TTRPG enthusiasts, our business partners, and our community, and this year is no exception. We're launching new products and have already committed significant funds to cover everything from booth space, travel (flights, rooms), and most critically, the production of new books and merchandise specifically for the show floor.

Diamond’s bankruptcy and this legal action also mean that Green Ronin has lost its book trade distributor. We are looking for a new partner, but that will take some time. Book trade sales of literary licenses, currently The Fifth Season and The Expanse, are a key part of our strategies for those games. This is especially bad timing for The Fifth Season RPG because we recently received final approvals from N.K. Jemisin and the game is ready to go to print.

We simply don't have the cash on hand to do all of this, pay for an attorney, or participate in any collective legal actions with other publishers in our same position.

The banks are stopping at nothing to wring every last dollar out of Diamond - including taking several hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Green Ronin product to sell in order to pay Diamond’s debts - but they can't do that, and we've got a legal agreement that says as much. Now, we just need to secure a law firm to represent us in the courts.

The funds raised through this campaign will be used directly to cover the escalating legal fees associated with fighting Diamond's claim in bankruptcy court. This includes attorney retainers, court filing fees, and the costs of pursuing every possible avenue to recover our inventory and protect Green Ronin's assets.
 

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Oh, I'm a business. I'm registered and everything! :P

What's that saying? "If you want to end up with a million dollar RPG business, start with 2 million." I don't know the number of Indie businesses in this hobby also have day jobs, but I bet I'm not the only one.

From everything I've heard over the years, even some well known publishers have side gigs at least, and the number of indie producers who don't approaches (but doesn't quite reach--I mentioned Crawford for a reason) zero.

Honestly, its best not even to think of most of the game industry as a business. Even most cottage industries manage better returns.
 

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If there was a fundraiser to upgrade the servers in 2025, I suspect that people will probably start asking lots of questions...
Counterpoint: A lot of people use ENWorld for free and assume that it’s sufficiently supported by ad revenue, which may not always be true. Beyond ENWorld, most people don’t pay for most of their news—small wonder that journalism is disappearing!

A few months ago I was reflecting on how much I appreciated ENWorld (quality of discussions, moderation, etc.) compared to the Wild West of Reddit. I realized that I should put my mouth where my mouth is and became a subscriber. I’ve been using ENWorld for like 25 years mostly for free, the least I can do is pay a few bucks a month to help sustain this place.

I think we all ought to look at the services we take for granted and consider paying a bit more for quality. Without being pushy, I’d suggest to others here that if they really appreciate this place, they should consider subscribing too. (Or else it eventually must turn into a Reddit cesspool.)
 

I think it’s clear you would. Your stance on such things has been made very clear.

But no, that’s not a likely occurrence in the foreseeable future. Server hardware is a pretty minimal cost these days.
First you 'reprimand' me, then you agree with me... ;)

Back in 2002 and 2007 I spent around $65 on ENworld subscriptions, that is not a huge amount, but if everyone that uses ENworld spent $65 on the subscriptions, you would be a multimillionaire by now. So I feel I did my part, back when it was needed. I seem to also remember that I offered hosting and my expertise/time at one point (because I had servers available at the time) and you declined...

I have no issue with 'helping', when I am capable AND I find it appropriate, in the same way I also have no issue to speak up when I find it very inappropriate. And I treat a community I use, that offers services for free and is only a couple of years old, very differently from a 25 year old business that normally sells it's products at a premium.

A similar community (but in a different field) from around the same time was sold to a big media conglomerate, that is suddenly a very different story...

Well there was this Kickstarter:


Crumbs was it really 10 years ago now.....
That's 12 years ago, after a big hack and the software that was in use then was apparently a big pile of custom spaghetti code, it all needed to be upgraded after it collapsed. Software and hardware were then still in a place where the cost could still be very high especially when you needed to migrate from one custom solution to something mainstream. These days that is very different. Also at £9k they already had a server capable of expansion, they ended at £54k, way more then what was needed or asked for at the time.

A few months ago I was reflecting on how much I appreciated ENWorld (quality of discussions, moderation, etc.) compared to the Wild West of Reddit. I realized that I should put my mouth where my mouth is and became a subscriber.
...
(Or else it eventually must turn into a Reddit cesspool.)
Honestly, depending on which Reddit you are in, I find Reddit a lot less of a cesspool then ENworld in certain fields. I do know of the cesspools of which you speak, but you can avoid those if you want. It's also the reason why I spent less time on ENworld these days often taking breaks for months. I would argue that ENworld isn't the same place it was 20 years ago, nor am I the same person I was 20 years ago, things and people change...
 

That's 12 years ago, after a big hack and the software that was in use then was apparently a big pile of custom spaghetti code, it all needed to be upgraded after it collapsed. Software and hardware were then still in a place where the cost could still be very high especially when you needed to migrate from one custom solution to something mainstream. These days that is very different. Also at £9k they already had a server capable of expansion, they ended at £54k, way more then what was needed or asked for at the time.
My impression is that Morrus learned a lot from that. Back in the day, as you note, ENWorld had a lot of custom code, much of which had been hacked together by the late Michael "Spoony" Morris who was volunteering as admin. He eventually left ENWorld amidst some animosity, which meant there was no-one who really knew how much of that code actually worked, and also meant that the site wasn't being kept up to date with security updates which is what lead to the hack that required the crowdfunder.

As a result, I think Morrus has become a lot more conservative regarding adding Cool Features. Or at least that seems to be a standard reply when someone suggests "Wouldn't it be cool with a feature that does X?" Unless it's part of native XenForo and just needs to be switched on/configured, the answer is generally no, and the difficulty of keeping such things updated is often mentioned as one of the reasons.
 

My impression is that Morrus learned a lot from that. Back in the day, as you note, ENWorld had a lot of custom code, much of which had been hacked together by the late Michael "Spoony" Morris who was volunteering as admin. He eventually left ENWorld amidst some animosity, which meant there was no-one who really knew how much of that code actually worked, and also meant that the site wasn't being kept up to date with security updates which is what lead to the hack that required the crowdfunder.

As a result, I think Morrus has become a lot more conservative regarding adding Cool Features. Or at least that seems to be a standard reply when someone suggests "Wouldn't it be cool with a feature that does X?" Unless it's part of native XenForo and just needs to be switched on/configured, the answer is generally no, and the difficulty of keeping such things updated is often mentioned as one of the reasons.
I’m right here, you know.
 

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