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Nikchick said:


Well, Hellbender (and anyone else who feels the same) as someone who has taken the same moral stand for the same reasons (different personalities involved, obviously) I understand where you're coming from. On the other hand, please consider that Gareth has already made his money for the work he did. By the time the book is on the shelf, Green Ronin has already paid him. If you decide you're not buying a book he's involved with, the people whose pockets you're taking dimes from would be, um, me... and Chris.

Not to be all self-serving, but I hope you can understand where I'd not be keen for that to happen. Especially since we try really hard to be nice. :) Anyway, I'm not going to bash anyone for taking a stand on principle, since I've done exactly the same thing myself. I'll just let out this one pitiful little meep about getting caught in the crossfire and let it rest.

Regards,
Nicole

Then there would be a solution. If people are boycotting GMS and it's hurting your sales(and you've already payed him), then it might serve as a warning not to use him in the future since future sales would probably be similarly affected.
 

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blackshirt5 said:


Then there would be a solution. If people are boycotting GMS and it's hurting your sales(and you've already payed him), then it might serve as a warning not to use him in the future since future sales would probably be similarly affected.

I suppose. The bottom line, though, is that we will always use the best author for the job. If the material in question is from Personality X and is the best treatment of the subject matter, we're going to use it.

James Ellroy isn't the most charming fellow I've ever seen, but his books are still good. I'm not going to demand that someone who thinks Ellroy is an ass buy the book anyway, but I'm also not going to pass on the opportunity to publish his book (if that hypothetical opportunity were to arise).

I think that's about as fair a compromise as one can make in this situation.

Nicole
 


But the point that I'm trying to make is that if you look at your sales and see a serious difference between products that bear the name of GMS and those that don't, that I think it'd be time to evaluate whether or not it's worth it to hire him and cost your company money again, or find other freelancers to work with.

It doesn't matter if he is "the best", which is always a matter of opinion. It's a matter of "Wow, there's people that dislike him enough to not buy a book that he worked on. It doesn't affect him though because we're taking the hit, as the publishing company, because we've already paid him for his work."
 
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I think the point you're trying to make, by resurrecting a resolved issue in a thread after nearly two months have passed since the last post, is perfectly clear.

If anyone else is curious, they can check blackshirt5's bona fides at http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37462& , a sniping thread about me that he started on RPGnet, which had to be closed by the moderators.

What looks like a reasonable post can reveal itself to be otherwise, once you take the poster's past history into account.

It's all a question of context, folks.



GMS
 


maddman75 said:
Hey GMS, here's another thread.

Wow. I had no idea that site even existed...and here I'm the subject of an entire thread, thanks to blackshirt.

Anyway, let's drop it. It should be pretty obvious to any reasonable observer at this point that all this talk of my "hurting GR's sales" and the like are pretty much 100% invention and instigation, rather than having any basis in fact.

The original situation was resolved, as far as hellbender, myself and the GR folks were concerned, two months ago. There's no issue here, aside from bizarre internet vendettas.

...and so it goes.

GMS
 

blackshirt5 said:
But the point that I'm trying to make is that if you look at your sales and see a serious difference between products that bear the name of GMS and those that don't, that I think it'd be time to evaluate whether or not it's worth it to hire him and cost your company money again, or find other freelancers to work with.

It doesn't matter if he is "the best", which is always a matter of opinion. It's a matter of "Wow, there's people that dislike him enough to not buy a book that he worked on. It doesn't affect him though because we're taking the hit, as the publishing company, because we've already paid him for his work."

Blackshirt, let's look at it a different way. Let's say Green Ronin publishes a really kickass book on some potentially controversial topic, let's say Devils (just for fun, let's call it Legions of Hell).

Now, let's say that people who hate the subject of devils, or people whose religious beliefs are in conflict with the topic of the book, or people who are just completely misguided and think we're teaching Little Johnny to summon demons come out in protest of the book.

Green Ronin's position has always been that we're going to do the best books that we possibly can, but that not every book we do is going to be for *every* person. The people who find the devils book to be in poor taste, or to cover taboo subject matter, or who just plain don't like the book are free to go about their lives and ignore that book. Fine with us!

What we won't do, however, is preemptively cancel a book because people might get their panties in a knot. As long as the book itself is good and sells to the people who want it, and is well received by the people who were its target in the first place, we're happy. If our book of devils doesn't sell to people who hate devils, that's really no surprise and nothing to get all excited about.

Same goes for people who, for whatever personal reasons, hold an opinion about the authors or artists that we've used! You're all free to not buy books from people who personally annoy you. I respect that. I do the same thing myself: there are people on my list that I've vowed never to support with my hard earned money, for no other reason than I've found them to be personally offensive. I'm free to ignore the people who bug me, and you're free to do the same.

I think that's really all I have to say on this matter.

Regards,
Nicole

edited to clear up my demons/devils confusion
 
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Nikchick said:
not every book we do is going to be for *every* person.

Right, just as long as every book is going to be for *me*.

'Cause we all know that's what's really important, right?

;)


What? It's not all about me? Curses!
 

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