Greyhawk being dumped as the core setting in 3.5

[DDK]

Pre P.S. I just decided that this would make a dandy poll. Wala! So be it!

NOTE: I can't recall this being discussed in depth here but I know I've participated in various discussions on this matter around various forums so I might be mixing my messageboards (haha); if so, just ignore this and move right along, that's a nice EN Worlder...

I was reminded of this possibility just now in another thread when I read about the renaming of spells. There seems to be a lot of these little things that are edging Greyhawk out of the equation.

Far from minding, I'd actually like Greyhawk to be stripped from the core books as it would be one step further to a final death of the setting and thus a relinquishment of it to the fans and to those who would like to create material for the setting, ala Dark Sun/Dragonlance/Planescape.

So, are there any other rumours to this effect? Have I missed something and has this already been denounced? What are your feelings about Greyhawk being the 'default' setting (despite the fact that the only thing from Greyhawk in the entire damn core rules is the gods and even then, they're WRONG, sheesh!)?

 

[Katerek]

I would like to see it dumped.

I like Greyhawk, hell I love it, but this is no way to support a world. As it stands now, if you don't play RPGA stuff there is almost no way to get good support for this world. If they are going to publish for Greyhawk, they at very least ought to do some modules and region books.

I hate it the way they are doing it now. Greyhwak had such cool potential but IMHO they screwed it up.

 

[Mercule]

I'd love it if they actually did, finally, make it the default setting for D&D again. It hasn't been since 1E.

For anyone who actually bought into the line of bull WotC delivered about it being the default setting in 3E, email me. I've got a bridge in New York and some swampland in Florida I'm selling.

 

[WizarDru]

Pre P.S. I just decided that this would make a dandy poll. Wala! So be it!

Just FYI, that's Viola! Don't look at me, it's not English.

Far from minding, I'd actually like Greyhawk to be stripped from the core books as it would be one step further to a final death of the setting and thus a relinquishment of it to the fans and to those who would like to create material for the setting, ala Dark Sun/Dragonlance/Planescape.

I'm a little confused what you're really asking for, here. Are you saying you want Greyhawk removed in favor of no setting at all (which is not likely to happen) or in favor of another setting you prefer more, such as Toril?

Remember, some folks automatically associate D&D with Greyhawk, as all of the original modules from AD&D were set there. The Realms are a little different in emphasis than the default D&D setting, which may be why it wasn't selected. Greyhawk has always been designed to be not only generic, but individually DM-customizable. The Realms are just as customizable, of course, but has much more detail that needs to be ignored or changed.

What would you put in it's place? D&D needs a basic setting, so that you don't need to buy anything but the core books to play the game. I grant you, there has been little, if no official support beyond the LGJ, but some might view that as a boon, not a burden. I bought the FRCS, but I don't want to be buying book after book of FR gazeeters. I love Greyhawk, because it meets my requirements for a good, generic setting. Toril is too high magic for my taste, and it's easier to ADD magic than to subtract, IMHO. YMMV.

 

[Frostmarrow]

I would like to see it dumped.

I like Greyhawk, hell I love it, but this is no way to support a world. As it stands now, if you don't play RPGA stuff there is almost no way to get good support for this world. If they are going to publish for Greyhawk, they at very least ought to do some modules and region books.

I hate it the way they are doing it now. Greyhwak had such cool potential but IMHO they screwed it up.

I second this opinion. I see no point in having Greyhawk as a default setting if they don't support it (outside the RPGA). Moreover there are now so many good settings that it seems unfair to have one world as default in the core rule books. If they must have a default setting it should be FR.

This from a guy who uses GH but not FR.

 

[mmu1]

You should have had a "Greyhawk is the default setting?" option on that poll.

How is it the default setting, if they don't really put out any information for it? If I were an outsider looking at this hobby, I'd have guessed FR is the default setting for the game.

 

[TeeSeeJay]

You should have had a "Greyhawk is the default setting?" option on that poll.

How is it the default setting, if they don't really put out any information for it? If I were an outsider looking at this hobby, I'd have guessed FR is the default setting for the game.

The word "Greyhawk" is mentioned in the flavor text of the PHB and DMG a couple of times. I believe the deities in the PHB are greyhawk deities.

Beyond that, I don't think there's much else that makes it "default" -- and you're right. FR is the one you'd notice as an outsider; That, or Kalamar, since the D&D logo is on those books, too.

That's the spirit of the poll, though. If you're only going to give lip service to your "default setting," why have it in there at all?

 

[Naar]

The main reason I dislike Greyhawk: St. Cuthbert. I mean, come on. What kind of deity, especially a supposedly badass god of retribution, is called Cuthbert?

 

[JeffB]

GH will always be my fave D&D setting..has been for 20+ years..

But I voted "I don't care", because the "support" for GH has been 90% lip service..the splats..the modules, Living GH....

Other than the excellent LGG, and the superb stand-alone issues of LGJ, 3E "support" for GH is a big joke, AFAIC.


Do I sound bitter?

 

[DDK]

Re: Re: Greyhawk being dumped as the core setting in 3.5

Just FYI, that's Viola! Don't look at me, it's not English.

Neither is color, check, meter or any of a thousand other Americanisms... what's your point?

That's the spirit of the poll, though. If you're only going to give lip service to your "default setting," why have it in there at all?

Hey! Stop putting words into my mouth! Just because you're absolutely, 100%, totaly and utterly correct, does not give you the right to talk for me~!

The main reason I dislike Greyhawk: St. Cuthbert. I mean, come on. What kind of deity, especially a supposedly badass god of retribution, is called Cuthbert?

Heh, first of all, he was never the god of retribution until some dumbarse at WotC went, "Umm... we need a Lawful Neutral God... what would a Lawful Neutral god do?" and then someone else said, "Hey, isn't that St. Cuthbert guy a real kick-arse kinda god, he's Lawful Neutral, let's make him the god of retribution, uh huh, uh huh!"

Of course, all of that failed to take into account that not only wasn't he a god of retribution prior to 3rd edition, but he also wasn't Lawful Neutral...

Further, do you think that Constantine was a wuss? What about St. George? Julius... now if ever there was a wimpy name... what about Alexander, after all he slept with other guys AND it's a girls name as well... Horacio Hornblower perhaps?