Greyhawk Grognard - May installment of Castle Greyhawk

[jaerdaph]

Pure old school awesomeness!

I've decided to map along at home:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/4652128-post5.html

 

[grodog]

I've decided to map along at home:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/4652128-post5.html

Very nice maps, jaerdaph!

 

[JohnRTroy]

But yet another "pretender" to the throne I guess...

To me this just shows that people only care about either the characters over the creator (which is sadly the norm), or care about their own "politics" about old-school stuff.

Quite a shame.

 

[PeelSeel2]

Thank You!

 

[scruffygrognard]

But yet another "pretender" to the throne I guess...

To me this just shows that people only care about either the characters over the creator (which is sadly the norm), or care about their own "politics" about old-school stuff.

Quite a shame.

That's REALLY an obnoxious statement. People have waited 30+ years for this to be released and, after the debacle of Gygax Games pulling the license from TLG, things look mighty grim for the future of Castle Greyhawk.

A fan of the game steps up and tries to fill the void left by Gygax Games' decision and you give him grief over it?!?!

 

[JohnRTroy]

That's REALLY an obnoxious statement. People have waited 30+ years for this to be released and, after the debacle of Gygax Games pulling the license from TLG, things look mighty grim for the future of Castle Greyhawk.

A fan of the game steps up and tries to fill the void left by Gygax Games' decision and you give him grief over it?!?!

Because the real human being is more important than the fans waiting for Castle Zagyg. The castle is a fantasy object. And from what I see at that guy's blog, he's passive-aggressively insulting Gail in prior blog posts. And I'm sure Gary would have wanted you to wait for whatever Gail did rather than get another author to do it as a "tribute", since it's similar to the other "versions" of the castle.

Basically my statement is aimed at the sad reality--people are more interested in the creation than the creator. I doubt Gary would have wanted another erstaz castle. It just annoys me, especially so close to the 1 year anniversary of his death.

I actually thought people cared about Castle Zagyg or Castle Greyhawk based on its author. Sadly, I guess I was mistaken.

 

[scruffygrognard]

Because the real human being is more important than the fans waiting for Castle Zagyg. The castle is a fantasy object. And from what I see at that guy's blog, he's passive-aggressively insulting Gail in prior blog posts. And I'm sure Gary would have wanted you to wait for whatever Gail did rather than get another author to do it as a "tribute", since it's similar to the other "versions" of the castle.

Basically my statement is aimed at the sad reality--people are more interested in the creation than the creator. I doubt Gary would have wanted another erstaz castle. It just annoys me, especially so close to the 1 year anniversary of his death.

I actually thought people cared about Castle Zagyg based on its author. Sadly, I guess I was mistaken.

As far as I recall, Gary was pleased to be working on CZ with the folks at TLG. As a customer, I was happy to support TLG in their creation of Gary's work. It was the fact that the folks at TLG showed Gary respect and gave him a venue for his creativity that I became one of their customers.

Suddenly, after he passed away, lots of people who had invested in Gary's creation with TLG found out that their investment was for naught. Everything that got released by TLG was merely prologue to the actual dungeons and those dungeons were now pulled from TLG by Gygax Games.

That was, to my mind, disrespectful of Gary's expressed wishes and of TLG and it's customers. I don't say this to disparage Mrs. Gygax or Gygax Games because I don't know what Gary's wishes were... beyond what he posted on the TLG boards. I would guess that his top priority was to care for his family as best he could after he was gone, so I understand the change in plans.

At the same time, Gygax Games has done an incredibly poor job of communicating with Gary's fans regarding the future of Castle Zagyg and Gary's other creations... so I don't blame fans for taking things into their own hands. In fact, I applaud them for doing so.

 

[jaerdaph]

Very nice maps, jaerdaph!

Thanks! I gotta get back to work on this. I started the second one (the southeast section) earlier this week, but I got sidelined by a project at work. Looking forward to the long weekend.

 

[jaerdaph]

But yet another "pretender" to the throne I guess...

To me this just shows that people only care about either the characters over the creator (which is sadly the norm), or care about their own "politics" about old-school stuff.

Quite a shame.

I'm calling bullsh*t on this. I see this project as a tribute to Gary's memory and what he gave us, nothing more, nothing less.

I know this is the Internet and many of us gamers tend to lack social skills, but your comments are a pefect example of an opinion you should keep to yourself. Inside voice, dude.

Shameful.

 

[JohnRTroy]

I'm calling bullsh*t on this. I see this project as a tribute to Gary's memory and what he gave us, nothing more, nothing less.

I know this is the Internet and many of us gamers tend to lack social skills, but your comments are a pefect example of an opinion you should keep to yourself. Inside voice, dude.

Shameful.

Sorry, but I don't think it's a very good tribute to Gary. Knowing how Gary felt about the other various versions of the Castle, I don't think he'd react very kindly to somebody creating yet another version, and releasing it for free, as yet more "competition" to his work he worked as hard as he could while on his deathbed. And I feel that should be said and noted.

Basically, when I speak up about these things, I'm actually going by what I know about the man. I knew him a lot better than you. Basically, I'm getting a little concerned by people providing "tributes to Gary" and either badmouthing his wife or otherwise "speaking for him". In the author's Getting of the Pot post, he takes a lot of shots at Gygax Games. Which I think would have upset Gary himself.

As far as other statements on this goes, we pretty much cover all of that here.

It's just quite disappointing.