Greyhawk Questions

[Olive]

I`m reading the Living Greyhawk Gazetter about the gods of Greyhawk (chapter 7, page 164) and there´s not a word of Moradin? Why is that?

Irritatingly, to me at elast, LGG just has write ups of the human gods, minus the demihuman gods (except Selahine Moonbow)... but there are pleanty of references to dwarven deities etc through out the book!

So if I was totally new to D&D, picked the LGG up because i was told by my older cousin it was the best setting, and went from there, how the hell would I know what the demihuman deities were?

 

[billd91]

Irritatingly, to me at elast, LGG just has write ups of the human gods, minus the demihuman gods (except Selahine Moonbow)... but there are pleanty of references to dwarven deities etc through out the book!

So if I was totally new to D&D, picked the LGG up because i was told by my older cousin it was the best setting, and went from there, how the hell would I know what the demihuman deities were?

I think for the most part, the demi-human deities aren't particularly canonical Greyhawk. Once you've got the ones in the PHB (default setting: Greyhawk) and the LGG, you're ready to roll. Other demi-human gods optional.

 

[billd91]

What you need to run Greyhawk depends. It depends on just how much you want to agree/disagree with the canonical materials. If you don't have access to that many or don't care, LGG or the Folio set is all you need. Have fun.
If you want to be a little more in agreement with other sources, including the LIving Greyhawk campaign, then check out the Canonfire site (notice its name and emphasis on canon), and the various LG campaign triad sites.
I try to incorporate interesting elements from other sources, but I also like putting my personal spin on things too. So I my campaign diverges significantly from canon but is still quite recognizable as Greyhawk.
It's all in how much personal flavor you want to introduce. Greyhawk was especially suitable for DMs doing that.

 

[WizarDru]

10-second overview of the changes: Everybody went to war. Iuz crushed the Horned Society and the Shield Lands. The giants conquered Geoff. Nyrond was nearly bankrupted and starved out of existence. The Scarlet Brotherhood assassinated lots of leaders, staged a minor invasion and then Iuz summoned tons of devils. Someone used the Crook of Rao, a powerful artifact, to banish all the devils. Iuz was pushed back, and everybody made nice, except for Rary, who killed some other members of the Eight during the peace treaty signing and fled to Ket, making it his private domain with Robilar in tow.

Net result? A few nations are worse off than before, and two are in the process of being reclaimed (Geoff and the Shield Lands). Everyone's recovering from the Greyhawk Wars, and that's about it.

As for the LGJ, it's a good primer, but it doesn't detail many gods at all. Considering the setting has over 300 at last count, it just hits the big ones. Since there are already Demi-human non-Greyhawk specific deities in the core books, they didn't give them much or any detail...probably preferring to leave that to the triads. It's a good book, but it has a lot of flaws...this is one.

 

[grodog]

Hey The_Gneech, shoot me an email if you're still interested in a copy of Rary the Traitor: I happen to have a spare, and would be willing to trade it for other game stuff

Other than that, I recommend Canonfire! like everyone else! If you're looking for a quick guide to some other excellent GH resources online, I'll point you to my GH links page at http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_links.html

 

[Alzrius]

10-second overview of the changes: Everybody went to war. Iuz crushed the Horned Society and the Shield Lands. The giants conquered Geoff. Nyrond was nearly bankrupted and starved out of existence. The Scarlet Brotherhood assassinated lots of leaders, staged a minor invasion and then Iuz summoned tons of devils. Someone used the Crook of Rao, a powerful artifact, to banish all the devils. Iuz was pushed back, and everybody made nice, except for Rary, who killed some other members of the Eight during the peace treaty signing and fled to Ket, making it his private domain with Robilar in tow.

Ahem. The Horned Society rebuilt itself rather quickly after Iuz routed them from his summer capital. Iuz's armies used demons, not devils, and most of them had already been summoned. The person who used the Crook of Rao was Canon Hazen, a high priest of Rao's faith.

As for the LGJ, it's a good primer, but it doesn't detail many gods at all. Considering the setting has over 300 at last count, it just hits the big ones. Since there are already Demi-human non-Greyhawk specific deities in the core books, they didn't give them much or any detail...probably preferring to leave that to the triads. It's a good book, but it has a lot of flaws...this is one.

I assume you mean the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, since the Living Greyhawk Journal is a sub-section of Dungeon now. The book has entries on more than 70 deities...I think it did a rather good job. It was a wise decision not to go into more detail on the racial gods (which make up a significant portion of that "300+", since they're somewhat less important, and the heads of their pantheons get covered in the PHB (and, to be totally fair, their entries in the FR books could almost be cut-and-pasted to GH).

The only group of gods the LGG seriously excludes are the hero-deities, and they got covered in Living Greyhawk Journal #3 (back when it was published on its own).

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

10-second overview of the changes: Everybody went to war. Iuz crushed the Horned Society and the Shield Lands. The giants conquered Geoff. Nyrond was nearly bankrupted and starved out of existence. The Scarlet Brotherhood assassinated lots of leaders, staged a minor invasion and then Iuz summoned tons of devils. Someone used the Crook of Rao, a powerful artifact, to banish all the devils. Iuz was pushed back, and everybody made nice, except for Rary, who killed some other members of the Eight during the peace treaty signing and fled to Ket, making it his private domain with Robilar in tow.

Weeellllll, pretty close. You missed blurred some things and skipped others.

Iuz also conquered the Rovers of the Barrens, Bandit Kingdoms, northern Furyondy, western Vesve, and Tenh. The Giants also conquered Sterich. The Scarlet Brotherhood conquered Onnwal and the Sea Princes, and turned the Lordship of the Isle into a poodle-state. Almor was obliterated by the Great Kingdom. The Pomarj conquered most of the Principality of Ulek and most of the Wild Coast. Ket annexed northern Bissel. As the Great Kingdom fell apart, the See of Medegia was obliterated, and who knows what happened in Rauxes. Oh yeah, the Lendore Isles' elves kicked all non-elves off the island.

The Crook was used. Sterich was reclaimed and one town in Geoff.
The Scarlet Brotherhood occupations are in turmoil and unrest. Nyrond staved off internal problems and grabbed half of Almor. The pieces of the remainder of the Great Kingdom were either swallowed by Ahlissa or North Kingdom (Province), or joined the Solnor Compact. Ahlissa also grabbed the other half of old Almor. Tenh is in fourway occupation by Iuz, Pale, Stonehold, and Tenhas. Iuz was pushed back out of Northern Furyondy and from a tiny clump of the old Shield Lands around Critwall.

Oh, and Rary fled to his tower in Ket, but relocated it to the Bright Desert where he has now declared himself the Emperor of the Bright Lands.

I'd add Onnwal, Principality of Ulek and Tenh to the list of lands still being reclaimed. Highfolkers might also have a good claim that the Vesve is also on that list of lands still to be reclaimed. I don't know what to say about the Wild Coast as it is equally split owned by Greyhawk and the Pomarj Empire of Turrosh Mak. And the Bandit Kingdoms are wonderfully rebelious under Iuz's "rule". The Sea Princes... well, the Scarlet Brotherhood owns the islands, the mainland is in a state of slow civil war. But it is more than two being reclaimed.

And still no one knows what is going on in Rauxes after the last Ivid "died".


Regards,
Eric Anondson (Just filling in some blanks )