Grim-n-Gritty: Revised and Simplified

[Fenris]

Question for Ken or anyone else who has been seriously thinking on this:

Should there be a limit on the feat Toughness? As far as taking multiple feats. Limit it to three? One Toughness feat for every four levels? Should it matter? I can imagine a human fighter taking three levels of toughness at first level, garnering 3 soak right away. Not bad.

Also, if you use the Dexerity variant should you substitute Dex modifier on a melee critical confirmation? Str would make sense since it is damage, but the Dex would be the better hit.

BTW Thanks for a great system Ken.

 

[SSquirrel]

Question for Ken or anyone else who has been seriously thinking on this:

Should there be a limit on the feat Toughness? As far as taking multiple feats. Limit it to three? One Toughness feat for every four levels? Should it matter? I can imagine a human fighter taking three levels of toughness at first level, garnering 3 soak right away. Not bad.

Also, if you use the Dexerity variant should you substitute Dex modifier on a melee critical confirmation? Str would make sense since it is damage, but the Dex would be the better hit.

BTW Thanks for a great system Ken.

Toughness has already been limited to 3 times max. The first version of the Revised rules did not include this. If you haven't downloaded the rules since the first couple of days, please grab the newest. Otherwise it's covered on page 3 under the Soak modifier table.

Dex>Whatever stat you're needing to use for the attack roll is what you would use for threat confirmation. So if you had the Brute Strength feat you would be able to use Strength. Otherwise Dex is the stat that would be added. Strength only comes into play as a damage bonus in the Dex variant.

Hagen

 

[Fenris]

Toughness has already been limited to 3 times max. The first version of the Revised rules did not include this. If you haven't downloaded the rules since the first couple of days, please grab the newest. Otherwise it's covered on page 3 under the Soak modifier table.

Dex>Whatever stat you're needing to use for the attack roll is what you would use for threat confirmation. So if you had the Brute Strength feat you would be able to use Strength. Otherwise Dex is the stat that would be added. Strength only comes into play as a damage bonus in the Dex variant.

Hagen

I thought there was a 3 feat limit, but couldn't find it, of course I was looking in the wrong place. Thanks for the clarifications Hagen.

 

[MacMathan]

Some more opinions:


Take the results of the temp HP roll and divide by 3. Make these Lightly Wounded boxes (ie no penalties)


See above.


Monsters would have access to the same feats as the players.


I wouild assume you would soak the first X damage as normal and then after that you have to eat it regularly. Divide by 3 seems like a decent conversion ate based on Ken's original chart for pips based on spells.


Again 3 HP:1pip


a)Otis charged Warren

Hagen

Do Charges in GnG provoke an AOO or have I just missed a rule for 3.5?

 

[SSquirrel]

Do Charges in GnG provoke an AOO or have I just missed a rule for 3.5?

Ahh I don't own 3.5 so if Charges don't give AoOs anymore then that was my bad.

Hagen

 

[Pielorinho]

Ahh I don't own 3.5 so if Charges don't give AoOs anymore then that was my bad.

Charges never provoked AoOs .

Daniel

 

[SSquirrel]

Charges never provoked AoOs .

Daniel

Actually there's typos somewhere in the 3.0 PHB in that case:

Page 82 Improved Bull Rush
"When you perform a bull rush, you do not draw an attack of opportunity"

Page 128 table of Misc Actions:
"Standard Actions:Bull Rush (charge)....AoO-No"

Page 136 Bull Rush:
"First you move into the defender's space. Moving in this way provokes an attack of opportunity from each foe that threatens you"

I'm sure there was likely errata somewhere, but the way its written the table is wrong. I'd asume that 1 mistake is more likely than 2.

Hagen

 

[MacMathan]

I see. I did not realize he Bullrushed him. I believe a Bullrush and a Charge are two different types of actions.

 

[Pielorinho]

duplicate post

 

[Pielorinho]

SSquirrel, there may be a typo in the 3.0 PhB (I don't have mine handy), but it doesn't have any bearing on charges; near as I can tell, nowhere does it mention charges provoking an AoO. The only inconsistency I see in what you referenced is a suggestion that bull-rushes don't provoke an AoO, not that charges do.

I don't think Otis Bull-rushed, given that a BR doesn't do damage.

And sixteen, if they're square-dancing and fold their wings in.

Daniel