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NADRIGOL

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What are your thoughts on a EK/Bladesinger with Sentinel, Warcaster and Greenfire/Booming Blade?

I did some number work on the EK/BS multi-class possibilities, specifically where DPR and and the new cantrips are concerned... you can find it in the other wizard thread here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...o-Wizards-5e&p=6818344&viewfull=1#post6818344

tl;dr
Pure EK, Pure BS, and BS with a 1 lvl fighter dip all seem more viable than EK with a BS dip.

My personal favorite is Fighter 1 / BS X (assuming your DM lets human BS [for dual wielder]), which I'm currently playing out in my groups campaign. The DPR isn't far off pure EK, but with full spellcasting.

I've been thinking about sentinel a lot for this character. The benefits with the play style are obvious. However, I think the choice isn't as obvious. A BS only has five ASI's, four if you take a 2 lvl dip (which you might for action surge). You need four ASI's to max out Dex and Int. I think Warcaster is a must with any melee BS build, it just synergizes so well. Sentinel on the other hand, is more situational, and I think we can agree even as a BS, the wizard isn't going to be making as many OA's as the BSF. The effects of Booming Blade (usable as an OA with Warcaster) also duplicate some of the sentinel concepts. Even a Human BS I think would be better off using the extra feat for Dual Wielder, dipping Fighter for the fighting style, and using his ASI's for Dex, Int, and Warcaster.

Where Sentinel might work best I think, is on a party member in combo with your BS (sadly, I haven't been able to test this yet). I made a post in the forums a while ago presenting a Minotaur Battle Master focussed on ridiculous lockdown:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?473074-Minotaur-Sentinel-Awesomeness

My concept was to have a BS striking at the enemies locked down around the minotaur, abusing static damage spells and forced movement. The BS and/or the minotaur could probably benefit from three levels in Swashbuckler in this combo, but I haven't thought the whole thing through yet. Might try to get the combo running someday if I have the opportunity.
 

TheBigHouse

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I did some number work on the EK/BS multi-class possibilities, specifically where DPR and and the new cantrips are concerned... you can find it in the other wizard thread here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...o-Wizards-5e&p=6818344&viewfull=1#post6818344

tl;dr
Pure EK, Pure BS, and BS with a 1 lvl fighter dip all seem more viable than EK with a BS dip.

My personal favorite is Fighter 1 / BS X (assuming your DM lets human BS [for dual wielder]), which I'm currently playing out in my groups campaign. The DPR isn't far off pure EK, but with full spellcasting.

I've been thinking about sentinel a lot for this character. The benefits with the play style are obvious. However, I think the choice isn't as obvious. A BS only has five ASI's, four if you take a 2 lvl dip (which you might for action surge). You need four ASI's to max out Dex and Int. I think Warcaster is a must with any melee BS build, it just synergizes so well. Sentinel on the other hand, is more situational, and I think we can agree even as a BS, the wizard isn't going to be making as many OA's as the BSF. The effects of Booming Blade (usable as an OA with Warcaster) also duplicate some of the sentinel concepts. Even a Human BS I think would be better off using the extra feat for Dual Wielder, dipping Fighter for the fighting style, and using his ASI's for Dex, Int, and Warcaster.

Where Sentinel might work best I think, is on a party member in combo with your BS (sadly, I haven't been able to test this yet). I made a post in the forums a while ago presenting a Minotaur Battle Master focussed on ridiculous lockdown:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?473074-Minotaur-Sentinel-Awesomeness

My concept was to have a BS striking at the enemies locked down around the minotaur, abusing static damage spells and forced movement. The BS and/or the minotaur could probably benefit from three levels in Swashbuckler in this combo, but I haven't thought the whole thing through yet. Might try to get the combo running someday if I have the opportunity.

Thanks for posting this link. I would like to include your post in the guide. I think it is very helpful for those looking at how to optimize bladesinger, which is kinda a tricky proposition. I think there might be some potential as well for EK8 BS2 and then something else (or more BS). To be honest it might be worth an entire guide just on bladesinger multiclassing.
 

Yunru

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So you're saying a Greatsword wielder beats out a scimitar user? Colour me unimpressed. Now if you'd used similar builds, say a sword and board rapier user vs a mc bladeslinger vs a pure bladesinger, then the numbers might mean something.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
Thanks for posting this link. I would like to include your post in the guide. I think it is very helpful for those looking at how to optimize bladesinger, which is kinda a tricky proposition. I think there might be some potential as well for EK8 BS2 and then something else (or more BS). To be honest it might be worth an entire guide just on bladesinger multiclassing.

Go for it! I think you're right about the possibility of a multiclassing guide... There are so many amazing multiclassing possibilities with BS (as with so many classes in 5e), it's usually not in your best interest to pure BS (especially given Signature Spell's relative weakness).

The EK8/BS2 build is essentially what I'm discussing with "George" in my other post. People get excited about the synergy potential with War Magic and BS and the new cantrips, but the combination of Two Weapon Fighting and Haste essentially render it null. Leaving the EK without much DPR advantage, and way behind on spells. If one could come up with a good reason not to dual wield with BS, but still be a melee focussed character, there might be a reason to EK7 BSX (probably EK7/8 BS2 something else [swashbuckler? paladin?]). The fact is BS is pretty much locked into Dex fighting, which encourages TWF, which is just not as good as Str for EK.
 

TheBigHouse

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So you're saying a Greatsword wielder beats out a scimitar user? Colour me unimpressed. Now if you'd used similar builds, say a sword and board rapier user vs a mc bladeslinger vs a pure bladesinger, then the numbers might mean something.

Its hard to say what a similar build is in this case. The pure EK has much higher AC with plate than the singers do when they aren't using singing, but once the song starts, their AC goes higher than his. A rapier sword and board would do less damage, but have consistently very high AC and HP.

At that point you are comparing a really tanky character to two DPS characters with the ability to be tanky twice a day. I think he chose the greatsword because he wanted to compare 3 classes that are trying to achieve max dps within their paradigm.
 


NADRIGOL

Explorer
So you're saying a Greatsword wielder beats out a scimitar user? Colour me unimpressed. Now if you'd used similar builds, say a sword and board rapier user vs a mc bladeslinger vs a pure bladesinger, then the numbers might mean something.

What I'm trying to say is that the BS dip for EK which many people are talking up, doesn't seem so great to me. I'm not using similar builds on purpose (I want to compare optimized EK, to optimzed BS, to the proposed BS2 EKX). I'm pointing out that by taking the BS dip, an EK gives up a lot of DPR and gains very little in exchange (little extra spellcasting, little higher AC potentially). With the right build and 1 lvl fighter dip, the BS can achieve nearly as high a DPR as the EK with BS dip (but has nearly full spellcasting, which compensates [with AC] for what he loses [HP]).

BS can't use shields, so I rarely consider sword and board in this conversation. Sword and Board pure EK is just a straight nerf with the new cantrips available, so I spared him the embarrassment.

Also all the math is rapiers, not scimitars.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
Tanky twice a rest you mean. Which is all day by the guidelines of the DMG.

Very important. I think BS is OP in it's RAW state. If the fight isn't big enough, save your song and let the rest of the party do their thing. But honestly, I don't know what DM is planning to throw three or more high CR encounters at a party without a chance to short rest. As far as I'm concerned, my BS is always singing.
 

TheBigHouse

Explorer
Go for it! I think you're right about the possibility of a multiclassing guide... There are so many amazing multiclassing possibilities with BS (as with so many classes in 5e), it's usually not in your best interest to pure BS (especially given Signature Spell's relative weakness).

The EK8/BS2 build is essentially what I'm discussing with "George" in my other post. People get excited about the synergy potential with War Magic and BS and the new cantrips, but the combination of Two Weapon Fighting and Haste essentially render it null. Leaving the EK without much DPR advantage, and way behind on spells. If one could come up with a good reason not to dual wield with BS, but still be a melee focussed character, there might be a reason to EK7 BSX (probably EK7/8 BS2 something else [swashbuckler? paladin?]). The fact is BS is pretty much locked into Dex fighting, which encourages TWF, which is just not as good as Str for EK.

Reading my mind... I know its kinda goofy but my idea was EK8/BS2/Swashbuckler8/Pali2 assuming you can get away with so much MC. You won't get haste but you can attack + GFB with sneak attack and smite, then use the swashbuckler feature to retreat to safety. The paladin levels might be wasted since you dont get that many smites, but if you are using GFB every round it at least gives you a way to turn your spell slots into damage.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
Reading my mind... I know its kinda goofy but my idea was EK8/BS2/Swashbuckler8/Pali2 assuming you can get away with so much MC. You won't get haste but you can attack + GFB with sneak attack and smite, then use the swashbuckler feature to retreat to safety. The paladin levels might be wasted since you dont get that many smites, but if you are using GFB every round it at least gives you a way to turn your spell slots into damage.

On the contrary, The paladin levels are incredibly efficient. By the errata'd Divine Smite, you can burn any spell slots you have. I'd therefore go swash 3 for the mobility, pally 2 for the smite, and fill the rest with BS for more spell slots. The real problem with this build is the MC requirements (the same ones that take Pally2/BSX from potentially amazing to hard to pull off). You need 13 in Str, Dex, Int, and Cha for this build. You can dump Wis, but not really Con, which makes this build MAD AF. You'd have to start close to 13,14,11,14,8,13 to make it work, and the build is going to demand Feats despite you really needing the ASI's.
 

TheBigHouse

Explorer
Wizard survivability is already quite good if you just take a single level of Fighter or Life Cleric for plate armor proficiency. Bladesinging offers nothing that wizards couldn't get through multiclassing.

I disagree.

I do like life cleric + enchantment (or nearly any school), but let's be clear that you actually give up quite a bit while going this route.

With life cleric + enchantment you have -10 move speed (or -feat), -1 spell level known, -1 bump progression, -1 feature progression, and a 13 wis requirement. You can use shields, but your build is not going to really allow you to make opportunity attacks unless you also take warcaster, so you are likely just sitting in the back like a normal wizard.

With bladesinging (starting at 16 Dex) you get about the same AC as the MC twice a day along with BONUS move speed, enhanced concentration checks, no spell progression or feat progression penalty, and no wisdom requirement.

I think when we compare Life cleric 1 + enchanter to pure bladesinger there are certainly trade-offs.

Lets look at the features in detail.


Bladesong vs Hypnotic Gaze

Bladesinging offers a whole host of benefits that work perfectly well from the back row where you want to be when chucking around your spells. Which is what you will be doing on most turns anyway. Hypnotic Gaze is good, specifically when you have very few spells, but I think its pretty clear that on a head to head comparison Bladesinging is more useful in general.

Advantage Bladesinging


Instinctive Charm vs Song of Defense

As you said Instinctive Charm is incompatible with shield, and far more situational, requiring specific positioning.

Song of defense, on the other hand, does not interfere with shield, because it can be used on any damage source, including the most dangerous ones in the game, such as dragon breaths.

Advantage Bladesinging


Split Enchantment vs Extra Attack

Split enchantment is definitely better than extra attack for an enchanter, and extra attack doesn't add that much for BS.

However; let's look that the spells you will probably use this on: Tasha’s Hideous Laughter, Hold Person, Hold Monster, Otto’s Irresistible Dance.

Tasha's: Good!
Hold Person / Hold Monster: good but, you could get the same effect by just using the spell in 1 slot higher.
Otto's: Eh, you are only going to use this on legendaries, probably. And hopefully you aren't fighting two of them.

Split Enchantment is better but it's not the be-all-end-all.

Advantage Enchantment


Song of Victory vs Alter Memories

Song of victory is generally speaking better than alter memories, unless we want to get into flavor and RP discussions.

Advantage Bladesinging


So taking life cleric 1 for survivabiliy and then going enchantment is a perfectly valid choice. In fact I would call it a strong choice. If you want to be an enchanter, then go for enchantment. It's very good. However, i think that because bladesinger's abilities are more broadly useful, it gets a higher rank.
 

TheBigHouse

Explorer
On the contrary, The paladin levels are incredibly efficient. By the errata'd Divine Smite, you can burn any spell slots you have. I'd therefore go swash 3 for the mobility, pally 2 for the smite, and fill the rest with BS for more spell slots. The real problem with this build is the MC requirements (the same ones that take Pally2/BSX from potentially amazing to hard to pull off). You need 13 in Str, Dex, Int, and Cha for this build. You can dump Wis, but not really Con, which makes this build MAD AF. You'd have to start close to 13,14,11,14,8,13 to make it work, and the build is going to demand Feats despite you really needing the ASI's.

And if you are going for 4 multiclass's your GM is probably not going to let you get away with human BS.

13/16/12/14/8/13 with high-elf: Warcaster at 4. If you take swash to 4 for the extra ASI, you can get to 13/20/12/20/8/13 by level 18. Not sure if its worth it, but its just a crazy idea heh. At least starting EK gets you con prof.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
And if you are going for 4 multiclass's your GM is probably not going to let you get away with human BS.

I think the Human BS decision should really be setting based. It's restricted to Elves in Forgotten Realms for history's sake. I don't think there's a rule based reason to restrict the race (Variant Human is just as broken with every other class), which is implied by the writers actually suggesting the DM would lift the restriction in many cases.

Multiclassing in general is something I don't think DM's should worry about so much. There are rules in place to keep things balanced for the most part (although most optimized builds are multiclassed, so maybe the rules need some work in that department). Most multiclassed characters are chasing some single character concept. If 5e is going to be so light on rules supplements, I think multiclassing is important to let players achieve their desired unique character concepts.
 

I don't mean to nitpick, because you're right that Bladesinging isn't trash--when I say it doesn't offer anything not available through multiclassing I mean it doesn't fundamentally change the paradigm. I obviously don't mean that you can get those benefits for free otherwise.

But, here's my response to your point-by-point:

With life cleric + enchantment you have -10 move speed (or -feat), -1 spell level known, -1 bump progression, -1 feature progression, and a 13 wis requirement. You can use shields, but your build is not going to really allow you to make opportunity attacks unless you also take warcaster, so you are likely just sitting in the back like a normal wizard.

The MADness is, in practice, the biggest limitation. If you roll only a few decent stats you will usually want to go Fighter 1 instead of Life Cleric 1. The movement speed is offset by either Mobile feat as a variant human (which has other benefits as well--although for a tank, Warcaster might be more desirable, depending on how you plan to play), or the Longstrider spell or Expeditious Retreat, or by pumping Str to 13 or 15.

It's more like -0.5 spell levels known since you're only behind 50% of the time.

In return you gain bonus action no-concentration Sanctuary for even better tanking, access to Bless and/or Shield of Faith (to taste), secondary healing capabilities, and potentially better healing on Vampiric Touch (depends on DM ruling). It's not a clear dominant option, but neither is Bladesinger. That's what I mean when I say it doesn't fundamentally alter the paradigm. By 5th level you can either be an AC 20ish Bladesinger (plus Shield and/or Blur), or an AC 21 Fighter 1/Wizard 4 (plus Shield and/or Blur), or an AC 20 Life Cleric/Wizard 4 (plus Shield and/or Blur and/or Shield of Faith and/or Sanctuary). All of these are very tanky options and likely to perform similarly. The difference is that the Bladesinger is slightly ahead on wizard spell levels in exchange for having none of the regular wizard goodies that come from specialization.

With bladesinging (starting at 16 Dex) you get about the same AC as the MC twice a day along with BONUS move speed, enhanced concentration checks, no spell progression or feat progression penalty, and no wisdom requirement.

It's twice per short rest actually, which highlights the point that the Fighter/Wizard or Cleric/Wizard will have better AC the rest of the time, including on the first round of combat before spending a bonus action. That may or may not be significant depending on how fights tend to happen at your table: how long they go, how much warning you have, whether you get to rest frequently, and overall how far your table leans to Combat As War vs. Sport.

So, Bladesinger has more mobility, slightly worse AC until mid/high levels, comparable ability score requirements (Enchanter: high Int, mid Str/Con/Wis) vs (Bladesinger: high Int, high Dex, mid Con), enhanced concentration checks while Bladesinging, and +0.5 max spell level.

Bladesong vs Hypnotic Gaze

Bladesinging offers a whole host of benefits that work perfectly well from the back row where you want to be when chucking around your spells. Which is what you will be doing on most turns anyway. Hypnotic Gaze is good, specifically when you have very few spells, but I think its pretty clear that on a head to head comparison Bladesinging is more useful in general.

As mentioned previously, the whole reason for taking the Life Cleric/Enchanter combination is if you want to be the party tank while still being a full spellcaster. If you plan to hang out on the back line I'd recommend something else entirely like Necromancer or Illusionist. Bladesinger is a defensible choice for a back-line caster, but unexciting.

But if you actually are a front-line tank, you can be making your enemies hit each other every round while you hold down another enemy with Hypnotic Gaze and possibly yet another with a Grapple. Possibly two more with Tasha's Hideous Daughter^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLaughter.

Advantage: Enchanter

Instinctive Charm vs Song of Defense

As you said Instinctive Charm is incompatible with shield, and far more situational, requiring specific positioning.

Song of defense, on the other hand, does not interfere with shield, because it can be used on any damage source, including the most dangerous ones in the game, such as dragon breaths.

First of all, why are you comparing Instinctive Charm (6th level) with Song of Defense (10th level)? At 10th level the Enchanter gets the ability to twin Hold Person/Monster for free, among other spells.

Song of Defense is okay against critical hits, but it still competes with Shield (costs your reaction) and competes with Absorb Elements (also costs your reaction). Instinctive Charm, Song of Defense, Shield, and Absorb Elements all draw upon the exact same action resource so you cannot credibly claim that it doesn't interfere with Shield. Of these three, Instinctive Charm is the weakest defensively because you have to declare it before you know whether the attack would have hit or miss; but it's also free and can/should be used frequently. Song of Defense will probably protect you about as much, over the course of an adventure, as having somebody in your party with the Inspiring Leader feat. It's not garbage, and it can save your life in the right circumstance, and if it weren't for Absorb Elements it would be rated a lot higher, but overall it's solid, not terrific. Suppose you're facing a couple of Young White Dragons at level 10, and they both breathe on you. Absorb Elements (Cold) with a 1st level slot will cut damage from 70-90ish to 35-45ish. Song of Defense with a precious 5th level slot will cut damage from 70-90ish to 45-65ish. Really it's hard to imagine a dragon fight where Song of Defense is appreciably better than Absorb Elements, unless I'm overlooking a breath weapon type that Absorb Elements doesn't work with.

Again, Bladesong isn't garbage, but it's largely redundant.

Advantage: Enchanter

Split Enchantment vs Extra Attack

Split enchantment is definitely better than extra attack for an enchanter, and extra attack doesn't add that much for BS.

However; let's look that the spells you will probably use this on: Tasha’s Hideous Laughter, Hold Person, Hold Monster, Otto’s Irresistible Dance.

Tasha's: Good!
Hold Person / Hold Monster: good but, you could get the same effect by just using the spell in 1 slot higher.
Otto's: Eh, you are only going to use this on legendaries, probably. And hopefully you aren't fighting two of them.

Split Enchantment is better but it's not the be-all-end-all.

Advantage Enchantment

Again, it's kind of weird to compare a 10th level feature vs. a 6th level feature, but my assessment of Split Spell generally matches yours: it's good, but not a killer app. About on par with Song of Defense IMO, although you can leverage it to better. (Significantly, Hold Monster VI is a lot more expensive than Hold Monster V because it eats into your precious 6th+ level slots. Note: I play with spell points at my table, which makes 6th level slots even more rare and precious, so I may have an exaggerated view of the gap between 5th and 6th.)

Song of Victory vs Alter Memories

Song of victory is generally speaking better than alter memories, unless we want to get into flavor and RP discussions.

Advantage Bladesinging

Eh, I can see it either way. Neither one is especially exciting except in the context of a specific situation. SCAG cantrips are already competitive with Bladesinger damage using Song of Victory; and if you're playing either a backline caster (as you suggest above for Bladesinger) or a Mobile Warcaster Enlarged grapple-tank (perhaps the funnest way to play an Enchanter tank) you're not likely to care about melee damage anyway. The only case where Song of Victory is actually good is where you're enjoying being a melee gish for the fun of it, because you don't like cantrips, which means it's more flavor than anything. And it comes really late in the game too--at this point you've already got Simulacrum!

So taking life cleric 1 for survivabiliy and then going enchantment is a perfectly valid choice. In fact I would call it a strong choice. If you want to be an enchanter, then go for enchantment. It's very good. However, i think that because bladesinger's abilities are more broadly useful, it gets a higher rank.

Thanks for explaining your logic, and thanks for the discussion. Your ranking of Bladesinger is valid; I just wanted to point out some things for the sake of other thread readers.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
Song of Defense is okay

Great discussion... just going to jump in on one point. Song of defense applies to any type of damage. So if you're in a situation you know shield isn't going to be enough (crits or really high stat attackers), looking at a damage type outside the five absorb elements protects against (say poison or psychic), Song of Defense can be your savior. As far as burning spell slots for it, I think Song of Defense comes into it's own at high level, for life saving moments, when mid level spell slots aren't as critical.

Overall, I think you're making good points. Bladesinger isn't necessarily the default best option for frontliner/tank. But I think Bladesinger is capable of a higher DPR than many of these multiclassing options. I appreciate it for it's striker potential... taking some of the utility focus off my wizard, and allowing me to shift into a half utility / half damage role. This is very party dependent... In my party we have a Bard who takes over some of the utility/support role during combat.
 

TheBigHouse

Explorer

Wow. This is really good, thanks for the response. I totally appreciate all the points you are making and I can't say that I disagree with any of them.

I swapped the 6 and 10th level abilities to compare more apples to apples. Offensive feature vs offensive feature and defensive vs defensive.

I also see your point about absorb elements. It makes SoD pretty situational too.

I think our problem comes down to expectations on playstyles.

Your build is for a melee enchanter. It makes great use of all the features in your build, including the enchanter abilities, heavy armor, and a lot of CC. It is totally legit. I think i see now why you like the build so much. With all that coming together I can see how the build would be sky blue worthy.

My thought for Bladesinger is basically "how can I be the best backline caster I can be?" In that situation bladesinging makes great sense because it offers on demand tankyness when things do turn south, mobility, reliable concentration, and the best spell progression.

So here is where I get in trouble. I have been rating these abilities based on their performance in a traditional wizard role. Melee enchanter might be better than a ranged enchanter or bladesinger, but i don't think ranged enchanter is as good as ranged bladesinger.

Does that make sense?

How should we present this subtle difference? Should we add a note to enchanter that says "check out the neat stuff you can do with a melee enchanter" and then put a section in multiclassing? Should we make Enchanter sky blue to reflect how good that build is, or should we leave it dark blue for the traditional role, and then make the multiclassing build sky blue?
 

TheBigHouse

Explorer
I think the Human BS decision should really be setting based. It's restricted to Elves in Forgotten Realms for history's sake. I don't think there's a rule based reason to restrict the race (Variant Human is just as broken with every other class), which is implied by the writers actually suggesting the DM would lift the restriction in many cases.

Multiclassing in general is something I don't think DM's should worry about so much. There are rules in place to keep things balanced for the most part (although most optimized builds are multiclassed, so maybe the rules need some work in that department). Most multiclassed characters are chasing some single character concept. If 5e is going to be so light on rules supplements, I think multiclassing is important to let players achieve their desired unique character concepts.

High elf or gnome might be your best choice anyway. Human cant take warcaster at 1 if you start EK since you don't have any spells.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
How should we present this subtle difference? Should we add a note to enchanter that says "check out the neat stuff you can do with a melee enchanter" and then put a section in multiclassing? Should we make Enchanter sky blue to reflect how good that build is, or should we leave it dark blue for the traditional role, and then make the multiclassing build sky blue?

This is the issue with big catch all class guides. TreantMonk has had the same issue with his utility focused God wizard guide. It's the same reason both your guides now have several notes scattered through them that say (except maybe bladesinger) or (unless you're a grappler).

I just started writing a bladesinger guide after you're suggestion to a multiclassing guide. The first thing I had to clarify was "this is going to be more striker damage focused than traditional utility back line support focused."

And honestly, most classes, and subclasses, especially full spallcasting classes, can be built to fit multiple roles, which completely changes the tone of every section... Stats, race, choice spells, all shift importance with character role focus.

Given that this is "a general guide to wizardry" I would say that most of your guide is as it should be. Perhaps you want to add a small section at the end for non traditional roles. The things you should focus on as a front line striker, or a tank, or a blaster. List spells that shift ratings significantly. Important stat or race differences. And try to leave these notes out of the general guide.

Just some ideas.
 

NADRIGOL

Explorer
High elf or gnome might be your best choice anyway. Human cant take warcaster at 1 if you start EK since you don't have any spells.

I was assuming dual wielder taken as the human feat. Trying to maximize melee damage. TWF with the Int buff to damage and Haste is a very potent combination. To follow up on my last reply, we're building different characters for different roles again :p

edit:
Ah... but we're back to the 4 class character concept... I'm all over the place. Sorry!

I still imagine as a BS dip, you'd want to TWF. Can't use a shield or two handed weapon, so why not maximize damage with TWF.
 

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