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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cognomen's Cassowary" data-source="post: 7221854" data-attributes="member: 6801445">Moving on to 3rd-level spells . . .You could bump fireball down, or bump lightning bolt up. It's easy to say that fireball can hit more enemies, but lightning bolt is usually more useful indoors. It's also more viable as a single-target spell. They also don't scale terribly well, so its seems like the light-blue rating might only hold up for a couple of levels.Is haste really light blue without twinned spell and a suitable party make-up?I think you overrate both Melf's minute meteors and stinking cloud a little bit. The problem with Melf's is the amount of time that it takes to deal all of its damage; it's 12d6 damage overall, but predicting the combat two rounds out is difficult, so there is a good chance that some of that damage will be lost. Frequently you are better served taking the front-loaded 8d6 from a fireball or lightning bolt, even if only on a portion of the enemies. The scaling only makes the problem worse, without increasing the per-round damage.Stinking cloud has a few problems. It's a Con save, its area is heavily obscured, it does nothing to slow movement, and a fair number of creatures are immune to it. Net effect, it's sort of a crapshoot whether any enemies are affected, your allies will have difficulty attacking them while they're in the cloud, and then they'll just walk out in one turn. It can consume a few actions in the first round, but it's not really effective control beyond that.Then the big one, you underrate slow by a mile. Its effects are massive--halved movement, -2 to AC and Dex saves, no reactions, a choice between actions and bonus actions, only one attack on the victim's turn, a 50% chance to delay or deny any 1-action spell. For anyone who doesn't have careful spell, it is the better option than hypnotic pattern, and unlike that spell, it doesn't require a change in the way your side plays.</blockquote>

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