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<blockquote data-quote="Kithas" data-source="post: 6764931" data-attributes="member: 97587">I agree that +2con&gt;tough. The -3 only works on BPS damage, whereas the hp will work on everything. It also requires you to use heavy armor, which not all clerics are proficient in. And the point in str is for the most part wasted :/Ah, my phb isn't in front of me, I remembered it being able to reroll damage for one weapon attack.Massive heals and scary aoe effects/damage should be enough to make the bad guys hesitant to ignore you. Honestly adding 1 reaction that may not even out-damage wrath of the storm doesn't seem like it makes me more of a threat, also with proficiency in con saves after level 11(+4 proficiency, +5 con) you have to take 22+ damage to even have to roll to keep your concentration(1's arent auto-fail on saves), and if you do have to roll it will be an easy pass. The rest of warcaster is really lackluster.Ah right, I always forget that you don't get to pick like with Wrath. Either way Shocking Grasp is better <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />Since the only 2 spells that are cleric-only and have a dc/to hit roll are call lightning and destructive wave, both of which are situational(mass groups and high ceilings) I think having a +2/3 in wis should be fine, focusing more on con/cha.That is another fun one, shocking grasp, thunderclap, and lightning lure are definitely going to be my bread and butter.Speaking of which, I could just use my own cloud of daggers...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kithas, post: 6764931, member: 97587"] I agree that +2con>tough. The -3 only works on BPS damage, whereas the hp will work on everything. It also requires you to use heavy armor, which not all clerics are proficient in. And the point in str is for the most part wasted :/ Ah, my phb isn't in front of me, I remembered it being able to reroll damage for one weapon attack. Massive heals and scary aoe effects/damage should be enough to make the bad guys hesitant to ignore you. Honestly adding 1 reaction that may not even out-damage wrath of the storm doesn't seem like it makes me more of a threat, also with proficiency in con saves after level 11(+4 proficiency, +5 con) you have to take 22+ damage to even have to roll to keep your concentration(1's arent auto-fail on saves), and if you do have to roll it will be an easy pass. The rest of warcaster is really lackluster. Ah right, I always forget that you don't get to pick like with Wrath. Either way Shocking Grasp is better :P Since the only 2 spells that are cleric-only and have a dc/to hit roll are call lightning and destructive wave, both of which are situational(mass groups and high ceilings) I think having a +2/3 in wis should be fine, focusing more on con/cha. That is another fun one, shocking grasp, thunderclap, and lightning lure are definitely going to be my bread and butter. Speaking of which, I could just use my own cloud of daggers... [/QUOTE]

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