HârnMaster 3 pdf available free from CGI!

[righteousfist]

What artist? Richard Luschek is still working for CGI to the best of my knowledge. And he is Harn's best artist ever.

I may have my irony-proof tinfoil hat on, but for those not in the know, the artist being referred to is likely Eric Hotz. Luschek is excellent, but let's not be slurring Eric's work now, shall we?

 

[Golem2176]

Downloaded it....considering doing a d20 conversion.

 

[Mean DM]

I may have my irony-proof tinfoil hat on, but for those not in the know, the artist being referred to is likely Eric Hotz. Luschek is excellent, but let's not be slurring Eric's work now, shall we?

Yup, I was referring to Eric. No slurring was intended. Just a little goodhearted rivalry.

Columbia Games itself, as far as I can tell, has made no mention of the dispute.

Here is my take on this...Columbia Games has intentionally chosen not to take the dispute to the public arena. After a few initial statements, they have been silent. Since public opinion has no bearing on litigation, they have chosen not to air the issues. I am thankful for this choice and think it a wise move.

Downloaded it....considering doing a d20 conversion.

One has already been done. Check this out to use or for inspiration.

Cheers,

Mark

p.s. Go Pats!

 

[Golem2176]

One has already been done. Check this out to use or for inspiration.

KEWL! Thanks!

 

[Tsyr]

Ya know, I went to that "kelestia.com" estore to look into what I guess is the "legal" version of Harn... Sorry, 60 bucks for the 2 core books, and I don't even get them on paper, just PDF?

Huh-uh... noooo way.

 

[Krieg]

Ya know, I went to that "kelestia.com" estore to look into what I guess is the "legal" version of Harn... Sorry, 60 bucks for the 2 core books, and I don't even get them on paper, just PDF?

Huh-uh... noooo way.

Keep in mind that Robin's HarnMaster Gold & CGI's HarnMaster 3rd Edition are not the same. Both products share roots in HarnMaster 1stEd but their paths have since diverged.

 

[dhamon66]

Free HârnMaster 3

I was very pleased by CGI offering this and plan to use the additional 10% discount on more Hârn product. I just started playing in a Hârn campaign using GURPS and am very happy about the amount of detail Hârn offers.

Ignore the overbearing tone from NRC. The world is so lush and rich that as a player I can go anywhere and do anything and my GM is ready for it.

Just wanted to drop my two silver pennies worth into this thread.

 

[DongMaster]

I am certain the there are many HarmMaster fans who just really like a highly complex system for modeling "realistic" behavior. Heck, when I was a kid I pretty much thought the Holy Grail of gaming was realism through detailed calculations.

He he... When you were a kid... When I was a kid I gamed AD&D and guess what I am gaming now when I have grown up? Not that game I can assure you. Am I less mature or more mature than you? How the hell can one tell on a gaming forum? It is nothing more than taste mind you. Some will like games tending towards realism, others towards high adventure. Nothing wrong with any of the two. Although I would not game D&D today unless it was on the computer but that is my choice. But I have a lot of friends that do and last I looked, we were still friends.

But I am also convinced from repeated experience that there is also a significant portion of the system fans that get no small measure of satisfaction in the game from their ability to delude themselves into believing that playing it proves some clear superiority to other gamers and their inferior systems.

Now I am beginning to like you... You are almost like me but not as good. Have you even visited the Hârn forum? No system, gaming world is unwelcome, they have a special section devoted to them. Do we think we are better than you D&D, Exhalted etc. guys? No. Do we think we are gaming with a better system and a better setting? Hell yeah! Otherwise I wouldn't be gaming with HârnMaster or Hârn in the first place. You may not like it, or the setting, but please do not confuse the difference between believing a game to be better and being a better person. Those ain't the same.

Of course as I have told you I am a much better person than you...

 

[DongMaster]

Ya know, I went to that "kelestia.com" estore to look into what I guess is the "legal" version of Harn... Sorry, 60 bucks for the 2 core books, and I don't even get them on paper, just PDF?

Huh-uh... noooo way.

Uh... As a Hârn fan extra-ordinaire I can't but agree with you...

The Hârn prices has always been kinda high but that is when you get first quality maps, good artwork, and extremely good editing and consistency. Of course they have been printed by CGI. When you release PDFs like Kelestia.com you need to keep the same prices as the rest of the community or at least not stray too far away. Still as I wrote I am a Hârn fan and buys what comes out, price not important to me. At least now you guys have a rule set for free.

Hrafnagud, there is no escape from me or the dong...

 

[BryonD]

He he... When you were a kid... When I was a kid I gamed AD&D and guess what I am gaming now when I have grown up? Not that game I can assure you. Am I less mature or more mature than you? How the hell can one tell on a gaming forum? It is nothing more than taste mind you. Some will like games tending towards realism, others towards high adventure. Nothing wrong with any of the two. Although I would not game D&D today unless it was on the computer but that is my choice. But I have a lot of friends that do and last I looked, we were still friends.

Now I am beginning to like you... You are almost like me but not as good. Have you even visited the Hârn forum? No system, gaming world is unwelcome, they have a special section devoted to them. Do we think we are better than you D&D, Exhalted etc. guys? No. Do we think we are gaming with a better system and a better setting? Hell yeah! Otherwise I wouldn't be gaming with HârnMaster or Hârn in the first place. You may not like it, or the setting, but please do not confuse the difference between believing a game to be better and being a better person. Those ain't the same.

Of course as I have told you I am a much better person than you...

I not going to bother getting dragged into a petty Harn war.
But I will correct a couple mis-representations of what I said.

Nowhere did I tie maturity to the choice. I simply referenced "when I was a kid" because it is a true statement. Now compare my one simple fact about me to this quote from the above link by Robin Crossby "Who likes the Hârnic environment? Our typical customer is a 21 year old college student. This compares with the industry standard 14 year old." If you found my simple personal comment to be an implied insult, then CERTAINLY, you MUST admit that Robin's is a more thinly vieled insult on relative gamer maturity (and a deeply erroneous one at that). I am not certain that Robin MEANT it as an insult. But I am certain that no reasonable person can possibly view mine as an insult without seeing this as moreso.

Second, I clearly stated that only a portion of the Harn folks have this superiority thing going. So saying "Not me" is irrelevant. I have been in several conversations which basically ended in some variant of "You just can't handle it."
Which is laughable, but quite informative of the speaker. When it becomes routine from a population, one begins to conclude that it represents that population. Pointing out that exceptions exist does not change reality.