Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6364676" data-attributes="member: 6688277">@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6689464" target="_blank">KaiiLurker</a> @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=205" target="_blank">TwoSix</a> @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6776803" target="_blank">Bryk</a>Yeah, I did mention unless Cha is gonna be your dump stat (which does allude to characters not concerned with charisma)..but people kept missing that. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm    :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /> @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6689464" target="_blank">KaiiLurker</a>Half-elf baggage, how relevant is that really on a scale of 1-10 throughout the entire playerbase? And this is not the queue for one or two posters to tell me how important it is in their campaign. It's a rhetorical question.Also compare your possible Human de facto +2 ability with the extra feat specials VERSUS +2 Cha, darkvision, elvish, fey ancestry, live longer, 1 skill proficiency and since you're counting the +1 human original, you might as well include the half elf +1. I think your +2 de facto falls quite a bit short.  @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=205" target="_blank">TwoSix</a>1 skill proficiency being a wash? No, reread please,  Human's get ONE, Half Elves gets TWO. I was reflecting the net scenario against the Human feat. So glad someone got it on this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> No, they get +1 to TWO ability scores, very lucky these half-elves.Fair enough, I like those people, but then again I am the DM, I have no need for optimization...much. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Once again: Humans have Common + ONE other VERSUS Half-elves who have Common, Elvish + ONE other. I essentially stripped all the additional benefits a half-elf gets, which are not a "wash", and compared it to the Human Feat - that is how I reflected it, but it apparently confused a lot of people I see.So Human Feat VERSUS Half Elf's +2 Charisma, 1 skill proficiency, Elvish, Darkvision, Fey Ancestry, Live Longer  Don't disagree, I love the feats. Feats and backgrounds make incredible concepts <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Thank you for the link @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=40552" target="_blank">Quartz</a> (finally proof that I am not alone in my thinking)will check it out, I was also thinking along the lines of proficiency in an additional save <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> but see my suggestion below. @<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=58401" target="_blank">doctorhook</a>, I haven't checked out the link, but from my perspective that is overkill. I would go with+1 on THREE ability scoresONE featONE proficiency skillEssentially we are attempting to equate against the Half Elf's extra's, (haven't checked the other races so maybe that's what you might have been doing...) being:+2 Cha, 1 skill proficiency, elvish , fey ancestry, live longer, which are currently compared to the Human's feat.and I think these two options I would be happy with:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ONE Feat and a +1 on ONE ability score (no stacking)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ONE Feat and bonus save proficiency</li> </ul>Only because I value Feats more than a generic +2 in an ability, but that is my personal preference.Alternatively if you want pure math change those options to<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ONE Feat and a +1 on ONE ability score and a language (no stacking)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">ONE Feat and bonus FEAT Resiliency (no stacking)</li> </ul>Thanks everyone for the feedback.</blockquote>

Verification