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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9023668" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Yeah...no.</p><p></p><p>There is no world where D&D takes off to the degree that it did, where that particular facet remains in effect. "Race as class" is a very, <em>very</em> disliked concept by most gamers, as we can pretty clearly see in the MMO space. Same issue as gender-locked classes, or only having one playable gender for a given race. Heck, even <em>faction-locked</em> classes are not entirely well-liked, which is why Blizzard very quickly gave the Horde some Paladins (first Blood Elves, then Tauren later on, and finally much later a variant group of Trolls), same for giving the Alliance Shaman (Draenei, later Dwarves, and later still a regional Human subgroup.)</p><p></p><p>Race as class forbids you from a huge variety of potential stories. It would go over like a lead balloon today to tell people that their elf clerics and dragonborn bards and gnome paladins are verboten because "elf" is a fighter-wizard mashup, "dragonborn" means being a <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/dragon-reflections-53.685512/#post-8533262" target="_blank">magic-eating sorcerer-paladin</a>* exclusively, and "gnome" has to be a kooky, quirky illusionist and could never, ever, <em>ever</em> serve a deity as a pious warrior.</p><p></p><p>*Note, as I posted in that thread, I actually find the argas concept <em>very cool</em>, and it's probably one of the only situations where I <em>might</em> be willing to accept race-as-class. But that's mostly because it is pretty much perfectly directed at my interests, since I love dragons, sorcery, serving the cause of good, and the generically paladin-like nature of the concept. Yet even with it being almost tailor-made for me, despite it being printed before I was even born, I'm still on the fence because of just how <em>severely</em> limiting race-as-class is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9023668, member: 6790260"] Yeah...no. There is no world where D&D takes off to the degree that it did, where that particular facet remains in effect. "Race as class" is a very, [I]very[/I] disliked concept by most gamers, as we can pretty clearly see in the MMO space. Same issue as gender-locked classes, or only having one playable gender for a given race. Heck, even [I]faction-locked[/I] classes are not entirely well-liked, which is why Blizzard very quickly gave the Horde some Paladins (first Blood Elves, then Tauren later on, and finally much later a variant group of Trolls), same for giving the Alliance Shaman (Draenei, later Dwarves, and later still a regional Human subgroup.) Race as class forbids you from a huge variety of potential stories. It would go over like a lead balloon today to tell people that their elf clerics and dragonborn bards and gnome paladins are verboten because "elf" is a fighter-wizard mashup, "dragonborn" means being a [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/dragon-reflections-53.685512/#post-8533262']magic-eating sorcerer-paladin[/URL]* exclusively, and "gnome" has to be a kooky, quirky illusionist and could never, ever, [I]ever[/I] serve a deity as a pious warrior. *Note, as I posted in that thread, I actually find the argas concept [I]very cool[/I], and it's probably one of the only situations where I [I]might[/I] be willing to accept race-as-class. But that's mostly because it is pretty much perfectly directed at my interests, since I love dragons, sorcery, serving the cause of good, and the generically paladin-like nature of the concept. Yet even with it being almost tailor-made for me, despite it being printed before I was even born, I'm still on the fence because of just how [I]severely[/I] limiting race-as-class is. [/QUOTE]
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