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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9025382" data-attributes="member: 22779">And just to go back to this.&nbsp; You've got 4 PC's.&nbsp; 4 rounds (and a bit) means you're doing about 22 points of damage per round.&nbsp; That's really, really low for a group of 4 4th level characters.&nbsp; But, then, you have a group here that's also pretty weak as well.&nbsp; No rogue hurts, as well as no paladin.&nbsp; Yeah, I can see how this group would struggle a bit more.&nbsp; But, even with a 17 AC, you should be hitting 50%.&nbsp; And, obviously some very bad luck if you had &quot;several&quot; wounded PC's after the leap attack.&nbsp; The thing is, this is the sort of thing that has to be tracked over several levels because confirmation bias is so strong.&nbsp; We all remember the fights where the ranger fell down, but, forget the ones where he didn't.&nbsp;&nbsp; My suggestion would be to track this for a group over several encounters.&nbsp; Just how often is a PC going down more than once in a single encounter?&nbsp; IME, it's pretty rare.&nbsp; It does happen, but, not all that often.&nbsp; Again, IME, it becomes really enlightening when this sort of thing gets tracked over time.&nbsp; What we think is true often isn't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9025382, member: 22779"] And just to go back to this. You've got 4 PC's. 4 rounds (and a bit) means you're doing about 22 points of damage per round. That's really, really low for a group of 4 4th level characters. But, then, you have a group here that's also pretty weak as well. No rogue hurts, as well as no paladin. Yeah, I can see how this group would struggle a bit more. But, even with a 17 AC, you should be hitting 50%. And, obviously some very bad luck if you had "several" wounded PC's after the leap attack. The thing is, this is the sort of thing that has to be tracked over several levels because confirmation bias is so strong. We all remember the fights where the ranger fell down, but, forget the ones where he didn't. My suggestion would be to track this for a group over several encounters. Just how often is a PC going down more than once in a single encounter? IME, it's pretty rare. It does happen, but, not all that often. Again, IME, it becomes really enlightening when this sort of thing gets tracked over time. What we think is true often isn't. [/QUOTE]

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