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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2423663" data-attributes="member: 2205">It wouldn't be insulting if it were documented, and not just an attempt for you to justify your own dislike of the setting by saying that the target market is juvenile.What editorial from Dragon?  When?I don't know if that's true.  I grew up watching shows like Speed Racer, Thundarr the Barbarian, Superfriends, the old Flash Gordon cartoon from Filmation, Star Wars, etc.  In fact, I don't recall much (if any) Sword & Sorcery in my childhood in the 70s and earlier 80s on TV or in the movies, with the exception the Conan movie, and a bunch of books that were mostly already 15-20 years old or more (but which I read anyway.)  Oddly enough, I think younger folks than us are probably more exposed (generally, especially outside the fantasy fan base) to something more like S&S because of more recent shows like Xena.You convenently deal in generalities to support your viewpoint, but then fall back on a technical detail to refute mine.  And as I said before, your viewpoint is also flawed because it ignores all the planetouched races, and for that matter, all of the races in general.  They're all essentially human with a special gene or trait that gives them special powers.  Even if I grant you that elves and dwarves and whatnot have a cultural history that's different than that, half elves, half orcs, drow, most of the new races from the Races books and all of the planetouched races also fall into this same category, yet you conveniently don't include them, because bashing Eberron for it is your agenda and bashing FR--haven for many of those races--for  for the same thing is not.  And then you say that shifters aren't just werewolves because hey! they could have weretiger ancestry, didn't you notice? while conveniently ignoring that despite that, the shifters are very much like a classic picture of a werewolf, yet modified to be usable as a player character race.I'm not angry.  And if I was, it wouldn't be because I don't like your personal preference.  I might get angry if the only way you have of expressing your personal preference is to insult the preference of others, but then again, probably not.I didn't attack you--IMO you did post slander about Eberron!  And yes, I guess technically it's not slander, because it's only slander if it's about a person, but I think otherwise you've clearly come under the umbrella of the definition of slander "utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation."  All of your posts about why you don't like Eberron aren't just, "I don't like the new races; they seem too sci-fi/superhero to me" or "the themes and tone of Eberron aren't classic S&S, and round these here parts, that means that gamers in their 30s don't like it," or what have you--you use hyperbole to misrepresent the setting, and then make up reasons to "prove" that the setting is juvenile when you're really just using anecdotal evidence and your own tastes.  I could just as easily point to my group where--as I said--we're all in our mid thirties (with one exception) and we all love Eberron.  Or I can point to the shows I watched as a kid to show that they aren't really classic S&S anyway, and Eberron is a closer match for them than standard D&D in most respects.  Or I can point out that the noir genre that Eberron is trying to match is older than S&S, or at least just as old, and therefore just as mature, and more likely to attract mature gamers.But I won't.  Those are all silly and beside the point, and don't prove anything anyway.Then we'll continue to disagree, I suppose.  And I still don't like your implication that only juvenile people would like Eberron, but since you didn't say that outright, I'm sure you'll deny that you implied any such thing.  I still think it's pretty obviously right there between the lines, though.</blockquote>

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