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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 8847221" data-attributes="member: 7035894">I wasn't discussing sales (and what does &quot;it anecdotally sold far worse&quot; even mean? That you assume it sold far worse? That's not even an argument). I was discussing integration. It integrated fine. Seamlessly. There are some creatures where I prefer the old versions (because the spell lists), so I use them, but mostly I use the new ones. There is no problem. There was no problem when Tasha's came out. I just told my players that they could use all of the optional class rules if they wanted. And I integrated some of the patron stuff - I liked it.Almost every sourcebook has added stuff. The game is already quite different than in 2014. The new PHB will add more stuff and make some minor changes, but I don't see anything in the preview material that makes it not 5e. It is clearly still the 5e chassis. It's all stuff like &quot;you get a basic feat at Level 1,&quot; spiritual hammer now uses concentration, &quot;races&quot; are now &quot;species.&quot; It's interesting that we are getting posts that the game will be totally different and you need to figure out how to &quot;end&quot; your 5e campaign for it (you don't), and others complaining that barely anything is changing and they were hoping for a new edition. As far as I can see, WotC seems to be working on delivering what they promised: 5e with some updates. You know, like they've been doing all along.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 8847221, member: 7035894"] I wasn't discussing sales (and what does "it anecdotally sold far worse" even mean? That you assume it sold far worse? That's not even an argument). I was discussing integration. It integrated fine. Seamlessly. There are some creatures where I prefer the old versions (because the spell lists), so I use them, but mostly I use the new ones. There is no problem. There was no problem when Tasha's came out. I just told my players that they could use all of the optional class rules if they wanted. And I integrated some of the patron stuff - I liked it. Almost every sourcebook has added stuff. The game is already quite different than in 2014. The new PHB will add more stuff and make some minor changes, but I don't see anything in the preview material that makes it not 5e. It is clearly still the 5e chassis. It's all stuff like "you get a basic feat at Level 1," [I]spiritual hammer[/I] now uses concentration, "races" are now "species." It's interesting that we are getting posts that the game will be totally different and you need to figure out how to "end" your 5e campaign for it (you don't), and others complaining that barely anything is changing and they were hoping for a new edition. As far as I can see, WotC seems to be working on delivering what they promised: 5e with some updates. You know, like they've been doing all along. [/QUOTE]

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