Haversack is rare?

Yardiff

Explorer
Why is the Handy Haversack a rare magic item in 5e? It takes the same action to retrieve an item from the Bag of Holding, which is an uncommon magic item, as it does from the Haversack and the Bag holds a lot more.
 

Dausuul

Legend
I suppose it's because the Haversack puts the wanted item on top? Maybe the intent is that when you retrieve an item from the Bag, you get a random item, and you have to dig through the whole bag to be sure of finding what you want...

...yeah, I know, I'm reaching here. Reading the rules for the Bag in isolation, the obvious conclusion is that you get the item you want with 1 action.

The only other advantage I can see for the Haversack is that it weighs 5 pounds instead of 15. Since the whole point of such items is to save weight, that does matter. But 10 pounds is not enough to justify a whole rarity level IMO, especially given the Bag's superior capacity. Maybe if the Bag were 25 or 30 pounds, it'd be worth it.
 

Len

Prodigal Member
The Handy Haversack has another advantage: it's a haversack. You can carry it without using a hand and you don't have to drop it to use both hands for combat.
 

dnd4vr

Tactical Studies Rules - The Original Game Wizards
The haversack also only weighs 5 lbs, whereas the Bag of Holding always weighs 15 lbs, even when empty.
 

Dausuul

Legend
Thinking about it, I would be inclined to house rule that retrieving an item from the Haversack is your free object interaction rather than a full action. That would fit the "wanted item on top" flavor and would also be a solid reason to prefer the Haversack.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen
Thinking about it, I would be inclined to house rule that retrieving an item from the Haversack is your free object interaction rather than a full action. That would fit the "wanted item on top" flavor and would also be a solid reason to prefer the Haversack.
That’s what I’d do.

Really, the reason haversack is rare and bag is uncommon is just tradition. Those are the rarities they’ve been at in past editions, and in those past editions the item you want being on top has had a bigger impact. 5e’s more streamlined action economy eliminated the reason for the two items to be different rarities, but the rarities weren’t changed. Either reducing the haversack to uncommon or letting you get your item as an interaction are the best fixes IMO.
 
"Rarity" isn't directly linked to the power of items - this isn't Diablo. The haversack is rare because it is made by Heward, whereas bags of holding are unbranded. This is most obvious if you compare a Ring of Resistance (rare) to things like Boots of the Winterlands and Brooch of Shielding (uncommon).
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
In my gaming life I've seen exactly one (1) Heward's Haversack in play, and have DMed none; but I've seen maybe fifteen Bags of Holding go by.

That said, as it's one of my currently-active PCs who owns said Haversack I ain't complaining. :)
 

Sword of Spirit

Adventurer
They goofed when they imported it from 3e. It is supposed to be easier to get what you want out of it than a bag of holding, but the rules don’t reflect this. Either you can make it more difficult to get things from a bag of holding (like by making it take 3 rounds to ruffle around through it in order to find and retrieve the item) or you can make it easier to retrieve an item from the haversack (like by using your object interaction). I favor the latter, since retrieving an item from a non-magical haversack only takes one action.
 

dnd4vr

Tactical Studies Rules - The Original Game Wizards
Like others have said, a lot of groups house-rule that getting an item is either an extra free-interaction or can be done as a bonus action (which our table does).
 

Galandris

Adventurer
Why is the Handy Haversack a rare magic item in 5e? It takes the same action to retrieve an item from the Bag of Holding, which is an uncommon magic item, as it does from the Haversack and the Bag holds a lot more.
The Haversack is less useful than the Bag of Holding. According to the DMG, the rarity of an item is correlated to the making time, so the Haversack, by RAW, takes 10 times the resources necessary to make a Bag. If it takes more (or the same) effort to create a Haversack than a Bag of Holding, and is less useful than said Bag of Holding, item makers wisely and smartly made more Bags than Haversack. So rarity (the game statistics) correlates greatly with availability.
 

MarkB

Legend
Here's another way to make the haversack more useful: Make the side pouches detachable, and have all compartments share the same extradimensional space, so that an item placed into one of the pouches can be withdrawn from either pouch, or from the main compartment.

Put a distance limit on it - the side pouches must be within, say, 200 feet of the main compartment in order to function - so that it can't be used as a long-distance mailing device.
 

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