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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9614304" data-attributes="member: 5889">So some of the foundational questions to get out of the way:1) Will this class be able to utilize int vs cha....or will it use one of those stats?2) Is the source of magic selected at 1st level (which does go against the grain a bit of 2024 5e design) or chosen at 3rd level when classes normally get subclass options?So its a bit tricky if you want number 1 to use both....but you want the selection to be 3rd level....as you get a thematic split where they were using one stat from 1st and 2nd level but suddenly shift to another stat.So I do think the best option is to make that selection at 1st level and allow both choices (level up did this with the warlock for example, giving them the option to use int or cha for their spellcasting).Beyond that, so then the question becomes....what is the essence of the sorceror you want to package into a subclass? The risk is always packing in to much because you want to reflect all of what the sorc was (which is a full class) into a subclass....and that just doesnt' work.So you really need to boil down to exactly what you want from the sorc chassis....and no more. You could argue that its the metamagic....you could go for the wild magic concept....but you can't get it all.</blockquote>