Help me find balance

[Beholder Bob]

I'm modifying the Hex Warrior from the complete warrior, and am hoping for feedback - is this too powerful....

Drop HD to d8, base attack to 3/4 (as cleric), gain good fort save, skills stay the same, gain spells per day as bard.

Gain casting of spells in medium armor at 7th. The warmage gets it and seems to me to be less of a armor user then this class.

Additional limit: any spell with a save of (harmless) effects 1/2 as many creatures, round up.

Well - is he over the top? Reasonable? I felt the spells gained to minor to be worth giving up med/hvy armor, so I bumped up the spells. I downgraded his beneficial spells for his allies since he is curse based - generally not the guy you want casting spells on you.

Would you allow him in your game?

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[Terath Ninir]

Doesn't really seem to be any problems to me. Armour/medium is not that valuable unless you allow someone with it and not armour/heavy to use mithril plate (the only good "medium" armour). Even then, it might not be that much of a problem.

The limitation on (harmless) spells is pretty cool, actually. Gives good flavour to the class. All in all, I'd allow the class, but probably not let them use mithril plate.

 

[Campbell]

In order to make any kind of accurate assessment I'd really have to see the modified spell list.

 

[Beholder Bob]

The good stuff

Here's the spell list. I've got almost no damage dealing spells listed, instead aiming for a mostly deabilitating focus and some buffs. No teleport, diminsion door, little/no summoning, almost no divination, no evocation, etc. Throw into this mix his reduced ability to buff allies (which bears mention of the # effected having a minimum of 1 creature), he is poor at providing support (like the bard or cleric) or dealing direct damage (like the wizard or sorcerer), but is good at impairing foes and retains decent combat abilities. Hopefully, the flavor intended comes across w the spell list.

0th
Daze
Detect Magic
Detect Poison
Flare
Know Direction
Prestigitation
Read Magic
Resistance
Touch of Fatigue
Virtue

1st
Augment Familiar (CAW)
Backbiter (CAR)
Bane
Cause Fear
Chill Touch
Command
Deathwatch
Disguise Self
Distract Assailant (CAV)
Doom
Endure Elements
Enlarge Person
Entropic Shield
Expeditious Retreat
Featherfall
Ghost Light (CAR)
Hideous Laughter
Jump
Lesser Confusion
Magic Aura
Magic Weapon
Obscure Object
Obscuring Mist
Phantom Threat (CW)
Ray of Enfeeblement
Reduce Person
Shield
True Strike

2nd
Alter Self
Bear’s Endurance
Blade of Fear & Pain (LM)
Bladeweave (CAV)
Blur
Bull’s Strength
Curse of Ill Fortune (CD)
Darkness
Daze Monster
Death Knell
False Life
Ghoul Touch
Hold Person
Invisibility
Invisibility, Swift (CD)
Mirror Image
Misdirection
Phantom Trap
Scare
Shatter
Summon Swarm
Touch of Idiocy
Touch of Madness (CD)
Wall of Gloom (CAR)

3rd
Bestow Curse
Blindness/Deafness
Contagion
Deeper Darkness
Dispel Magic
Displacement
Enhance Familiar (CAR)
Ghoul Gesture (LM)
Haste
Heroism
Hound of Doom (CW)
Keen Edge
Magic Weapon, Greater
Nondetection
Rage
Ray of Exhaustion
Shadow Binding (CAR)
Slow
Speak with Dead
Vampiric Touch

4th
Confusion
Consumptive Force (CD)
Crushing Despair
Cursed Blade (CW)
Dimensional Anchor
Enervation
Fear
Geas, Lesser
Giant Vermin
Hold Monster
Invisibility, Greater
Languor (CD)
Mark of Justice
Pain (CAR)
Phantasmal Killer
Phantom Steed
Poison
Polymorph
Rusting Grasp
Solid Fog
Spell Immunity
Stoneskin
Wither Limb (LM)

5th
Baleful Polymorph
Battletide (PF)
Black Tentacles
Break Enchantment
Cloudkill
Command, Greater
False Vision
Insect Plague
Magic Jar
Mind Fog
Nightmare
Slay Living
Spell Resistance
Symbol of Pain
Waves of Fatigue

6th
Acid Fog
Antimagic Field
Bestow Greater Curse (CD)
Circle of Death
Consumptive Force, Greater (CD)
Creeping Doom
Curse of Lycanthropy (CD)
Dispel Magic, Greater
Eyebite
Fiendform (CAR & PF)
Flesh to Stone
Geas/Quest
Heroism, Greater
Insanity
Mislead
Power Word Blind
Repulsion
Sequester
Symbol of Fear
Symbol of Weakness
Transformation

Spell sources
LM: Liber Mortis, CD: Complete Divine, CAV: Complete Adventurer, CW: Complete Warrior, CAR: Complete Arcane, PF: Players Guide to Faerun

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[Beholder Bob]

In order to make any kind of accurate assessment I'd really have to see the modified spell list.

Uh, bump. No, really, bump.

Feedback, anyone.

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[domino]

Help me find balance

It's between Appraise and Bluff.

Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck.

 

[Random Hero]

Look's good

Lol, Nice one domino....heh hehe

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Yup, looks good to me.... Are you letting people use mithral heavy armor in conjunction with the wearing medium armor ability??? If so... that make it a little better, but still reasonable i guess.

Big ups on the spell list too buddy!

 

[Beholder Bob]

Random Hero: Cool! Thanks for the feedback. Any armor that qualifies as medium can be worn w/out spell failure, so mithral heavy = medium. Then again, thats pretty darn expensive, so what the heck. Did the spell list maintain a good flavor? Did anything stick out as inappropriate?

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[Beholder Bob]

Ok, the final version being used

Medium armor proficiency (but with spell failure)
HD d8
Base attack as cleric
Good will & fort save
spells known & castable as bard
and at 7th: No spell failure when casting hex blade spells while in medium armor

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[gamecat]

This thread is exactly why I simply disallow mithral.