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<blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4403344" data-attributes="member: 62560">You've actually already answered your own question.&nbsp; The ranger has damage dice as big as or bigger than the warlock, but a canny warlock can put a +4 to hit to work against a defense that is as many as 4 points lower than the defense a ranger targets with +6.&nbsp; If you've got Hellish Rebuke and Dire radiance, you can choose freely between Reflex and Fortitude, so you've got a good chance to have a weakness to target.The rogue takes that +8 to hit with a 1d4 weapon.&nbsp; So there is an accuracy advantage to the rogue in most situations, though with a little care the warlock can equalize the accuracy, while still doing more damage.You've noticed that there are two parts that count towards the success of attacks(accuracy and damage), but you've only compared the warlock to the others in the part that favors them.The average damage from a 3[W] roll caps at 21 from a 2d6 weapon.&nbsp; Flames of Phlegethos has an average damage roll of 15.5, plus 5 more damage guaranteed from the ongoing.&nbsp; Every class that is capable of wielding a 2d6 weapon initially also proficient in shields, so they must give up some defenses to get up to the warlock, while the other classes must spend a feat.For encounters, nobody's got better than 2[W], which can surpass a warlock's 2d8.&nbsp; Average on 4d6 is 14, on 2d8 it's 9.&nbsp; By adding curse damage, however, the warlock is up to an average of 12.5, which is pretty close considering that the warlock doesn't need both hands or a feat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="theNater, post: 4403344, member: 62560"] You've actually already answered your own question. The ranger has damage dice as big as or bigger than the warlock, but a canny warlock can put a +4 to hit to work against a defense that is as many as 4 points lower than the defense a ranger targets with +6. If you've got Hellish Rebuke and Dire radiance, you can choose freely between Reflex and Fortitude, so you've got a good chance to have a weakness to target. The rogue takes that +8 to hit with a 1d4 weapon. So there is an accuracy advantage to the rogue in most situations, though with a little care the warlock can equalize the accuracy, while still doing more damage. You've noticed that there are two parts that count towards the success of attacks(accuracy and damage), but you've only compared the warlock to the others in the part that favors them. The average damage from a 3[W] roll caps at 21 from a 2d6 weapon. Flames of Phlegethos has an average damage roll of 15.5, plus 5 more damage guaranteed from the ongoing. Every class that is capable of wielding a 2d6 weapon initially also proficient in shields, so they must give up some defenses to get up to the warlock, while the other classes must spend a feat. For encounters, nobody's got better than 2[W], which can surpass a warlock's 2d8. Average on 4d6 is 14, on 2d8 it's 9. By adding curse damage, however, the warlock is up to an average of 12.5, which is pretty close considering that the warlock doesn't need both hands or a feat. [/QUOTE]

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