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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aservan" data-source="post: 4405121" data-attributes="member: 63340">I can't argue with your feelings.  I can say I feel differently as I am currently playing one.I agree with you that the warlock is a controller-ish striker.  So what?  That doesn't help him be a striker.  Controller is also the role most parties don't need two of and wizard is a pretty popular class (for a reason).  The are also a lot of abilities out there that can hit more then one enemy.  Rangers have one as an at-will.The abilities you mention all support your point.  It is not that warlock's can't ever play nice, but you have to work at it and it is a limited time kind of thing (one or two powers per encounter).  No other class has at-wills (50%+ of all the attack you will ever make) that are so situational and so unhelpful to what the rest of the team is trying to do.All of their at-wills that are designed to help warlock damage output mean nothing if the DM ignores you.  He get's rewarded for his disdain of your effectiveness.  He takes less damage and you do less.You are invisible to me?  Fine I will smack your wizard or better yet your Warlord!I get hurt for hitting you?  Fine I will just not attack you!  You are standing next to me casting Hellish Rebuke?  Fine if you hit I will forgo my OA if not you get smacked.I can't move towards you?  Then I will use a missile weapon or move laterally into one of your friends.You don't do enough damage nor do you have crippling status effects like stun, immobilize, or weaken.  So why should monsters care about you?Heck look at eldritch blast versus long bow.  They do the same damage.  Due to Longbow's +2 to hit have the same overall chance to connect (reflex averages only two points behind AC).  Long bow has better range and can further be enhanced via feats.  Eldritch blast can't.You may have a lucky warlock player or the players of your other strikers may not have discovered the good tactics yet, but by the numbers warlock is the worst striker and the worst class in the game.At least he isn't a 1st edition wizard who died from a sneeze.</blockquote>

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