Help me with gold mining logistics... a True or False session

Bear

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Because a mining town mines gold, doesn't necessairily make it a WEALTHY town, True or Flase?

Gold mine workers are not likely to steal gold 'ore' because A) it's heavy and B) its unrefined and worthless. True or False?

Where is the gold smelted? At the mine or is the gold ore transported to some refinery?

Thanks in advance folks!
 

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True Most gold mining towns see a burst of initial wealth in the first few years (1-5) as the easily obtainable gold in dust and nugget form is panned or collected from the surrounding country side. Some shafts will be dug in search of veins, but further development requires a large amount of investment from outside sources that rarely pays off for the town itself. After all gold mining is hard and dangerous and those who do well send others to do the mining for them. It is conceivable that a city would grow wealthy, but it is not likely to be the city where the gold is mined but a nearby one that controls the resources needed to operate the mine.

As to theft, veins can be profitable and would indeed yield nuggets that could be stolen. Theft in mines of this type is a major issue. Either draconian security measures are taken or the miners are interrelated and invested in the production, such as would be expected from dwarves.

Most gold would come from gold ore with a yield of only a few ounces per ton if lucky. This requires a smelter which in turn will consume a considerable amount of wood or coal for its furnaces and require a river as well - its usually easier to hall ore down hill to a smelter than wood and water uphill to a mine.
 


Bear said:
Because a mining town mines gold, doesn't necessairily make it a WEALTHY town, True or Flase?

Gold mine workers are not likely to steal gold 'ore' because A) it's heavy and B) its unrefined and worthless. True or False?

Where is the gold smelted? At the mine or is the gold ore transported to some refinery?

Thanks in advance folks!

True - minners could work for someone, being trapped in a hard life, much like coal mines and diamond mines. Everything owned by the company/government.

True and False - workers will steal to better their lifes or the lifes of their families. They will not steal for the same reason. It is the risk and the fear.

Where is the gold smelted? Depends, but more than likely it is sent somewhere else due to materials and other products used in the process.
 


Ok is a gold mine or strike. Are the panning it out of streams? Or pick axe to stone. It will be rich but I would only allow certain things to be present by the gold piece limit. Simple things like shovels etc and some rare things like caviar.
Also prices would be high. If something cost 1 gp in phb, it would cost x10 or more.
Good movie for thought Paint your Wagon, Support your local sherriff.
 

As a follow up, another important consideration is the type and quantity of magic available to the miners. Placer mining in which gold, as flakes and nuggets, is taken from the gravel can be boosted by various sorting cantrips or spells, but while the spells instantly affect a small area manual labor is likely to be the norm (though the scene of several weary miners watching as a wizard merely points at a gravel bar, mumbles with a flourish, and gold flakes appears in a nice pile has some possibilites).

Hard rock ming is another issue. Soft sedimentary stone can be cut by normal tools but the granite where gold veined quartz is normally found is extremely hard and rapidly wears down iron tools. Prior to the advent of dynamite most tunnels were barely large enough to crawl in, were usually worked by short lived slave and convict labor, and progress was measured by a few feet per week. The only alternantive was water power - do a search on Californian Hydro mining or Roman techniques in Illyria and Iberia to see devastation comparable with modern open pit mining. With magic the rock can be broken into manegable ore with directed explosion spells or by allowing water to seep into cracks and instantly freezing it with a variety of cold spells.
 

Thanks for the placer mine. Most of the 49ers did not make it rich. The merchants did. Only druids and various other critters would worry about the damage to the environment. So there are some plot lines there. Hey dave we need you to kill that darn druid and his bells of beavers. They damned up the river again. Dont forget rock to mud spells. Plus a magic water shoot which attracts gold and silver to bottom of chute.
 

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