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Help with Mirror's Glint:Take Weapon confusion
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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8619650" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>One of my players picked up the <a href="https://a5e.tools/node/757" target="_blank">take weapon</a> maneuver & i'm not sure how to rule on a few parts of it so was hoping to piocj the hive mind a bit.</p><p>[spoiler="Take Weapon"]</p><h3>TAKE WEAPON</h3><p>(2 points)</p><p>2nd degree Mirror’s Glint reaction</p><p>You snatch your enemy’s weapon and use it against them.</p><p>When a creature misses you with a melee weapon attack against you using a weapon, you can use your reaction to flip it out of the creature’s hands. The creature makes a Dexterity saving throw, and on a failure it drops the weapon and you grab it from mid-air.</p><p>You can spend 2 exertion points to immediately use the weapon to make a melee weapon attack against the creature.</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p> </p><p>It starts out pretty clear where enemy misses & player uses Take Weapon as a reaction with 2 points exertion to trigger a dex save but things spider web from there if the attacker fails the save. The next line/paragraph does something unusual for maneuver descriptions by saying that "you can spend 2 exertion points to immediately...". What is not clear is:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">if that second spend 2 exertion is the exertion from triggering it initially or if it is an additional two points for a secondary effect that can be triggered by spending two more exertion after defanging a now weaponless weapon using monster.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Regardless of if that second 2 points is the initial effect or a secondary bonus one baked into the maneuver that costs extra, what happens to the weapon after the maneuver user is able to "grab [the weapon] from mid air". <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does it go back to the attacker?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does it fall to the ground where AG444 use an object action's text would either allow the attacker to pick up their dropped weapon to use "<em>for free on your turn without spending an action</em>" or more painfully at the cost of a "use an action" action?</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does the maneuver user now have the attacker's weapon in their hand(s) allowing them to play keepaway with a harmless foe?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If so how does the attacker recover their weapon?</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is that second spend 2 exertion just stating the base mechanics of a "stop hitting yourself" type maneuver that hits the attacker with their own weapon?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If so do they immediately recover the weapon have it fall to the ground or have the maneuver user now take possession of it & what is needed for them to recover their weapon in the case of multiattack foes & foes that survive the round to need a weapon next round?</li> </ul></li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8619650, member: 93670"] One of my players picked up the [URL='https://a5e.tools/node/757']take weapon[/URL] maneuver & i'm not sure how to rule on a few parts of it so was hoping to piocj the hive mind a bit. [spoiler="Take Weapon"] [HEADING=2]TAKE WEAPON[/HEADING] (2 points) 2nd degree Mirror’s Glint reaction You snatch your enemy’s weapon and use it against them. When a creature misses you with a melee weapon attack against you using a weapon, you can use your reaction to flip it out of the creature’s hands. The creature makes a Dexterity saving throw, and on a failure it drops the weapon and you grab it from mid-air. You can spend 2 exertion points to immediately use the weapon to make a melee weapon attack against the creature. [/spoiler] It starts out pretty clear where enemy misses & player uses Take Weapon as a reaction with 2 points exertion to trigger a dex save but things spider web from there if the attacker fails the save. The next line/paragraph does something unusual for maneuver descriptions by saying that "you can spend 2 exertion points to immediately...". What is not clear is: [LIST] [*]if that second spend 2 exertion is the exertion from triggering it initially or if it is an additional two points for a secondary effect that can be triggered by spending two more exertion after defanging a now weaponless weapon using monster. [*]Regardless of if that second 2 points is the initial effect or a secondary bonus one baked into the maneuver that costs extra, what happens to the weapon after the maneuver user is able to "grab [the weapon] from mid air". [LIST] [*]Does it go back to the attacker? [*]Does it fall to the ground where AG444 use an object action's text would either allow the attacker to pick up their dropped weapon to use "[I]for free on your turn without spending an action[/I]" or more painfully at the cost of a "use an action" action? [/LIST] [*]Does the maneuver user now have the attacker's weapon in their hand(s) allowing them to play keepaway with a harmless foe? [LIST] [*]If so how does the attacker recover their weapon? [/LIST] [*]Is that second spend 2 exertion just stating the base mechanics of a "stop hitting yourself" type maneuver that hits the attacker with their own weapon? [LIST] [*]If so do they immediately recover the weapon have it fall to the ground or have the maneuver user now take possession of it & what is needed for them to recover their weapon in the case of multiattack foes & foes that survive the round to need a weapon next round? [/LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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