D&D 5E Here's why we want a Psion class

[Maxperson]

1) There is no Mystic, and "it" established zero. Indeed, they JUST explained it was abandoned in playtest because people didn't like it. Definitely established the opposite of your claim.

You really can't see how the Mystic showed their thought process and how it continued the full caster status? Seriously?

 

[Mistwell]

You really can't see how the Mystic showed their thought process and how it continued the full caster status? Seriously?

Oh I see it entirely. I see they THOUGHT it should be that, and it was received so poorly they didn't just decide to tweak it again like they had in the past with some other concepts, but instead entirely proclaimed the Mystic abandoned, the entire philosophy about it abandoned, and changed to something completely different. I feel like you're in denial over what happened here. Which they SAID happened - it's not speculation.

 

[Maxperson]

Oh I see it entirely. I see they THOUGHT it should be that, and it was received so poorly they didn't just decide to tweak it again like they had in the past with some other concepts, but instead entirely proclaimed the Mystic abandoned, the entire philosophy about it abandoned, and changed to something completely different. I feel like you're in denial over what happened here. Which they SAID happened - it's not speculation.

Yeah, you're misinterpreting things. It wasn't the full caster status that was poorly received.

 

[Mistwell]

Yeah, you're misinterpreting things. It wasn't the full caster status that was poorly received.

Dude, you are in denial over what's happening here. Again:

"In 2017, we experimented with an unofficial character class—the mystic—focused on psionic powers..As much as many playtesters enjoyed the psionic themes in the mystic, feedback was also clear that the class encroached on other classes’ territory and that it was often too complex, too powerful, or both. Following that feedback, we’ve decided to say farewell to the mystic and explore other ways of giving players psi-themed powers, as we did with the features of the Great Old One warlock in the Player’s Handbook...The philosophy of this approach is most akin to the one taken in the 1st edition of D&D, where psionic powers weren’t the domain of any particular class but were available for characters of different types to experience."

Hello? Is this thing on? Are you listening? They have CHANGED THEIR PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO PSIONIC CLASSES TO MAKE THEM NOT THE DOMAIN OF ANY PARTICULAR CLASS, SIMILAR TO THE 1E APPROACH.

That is where we are at. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with it. But you do have to accept that is in fact where we are at right not and not pretend we "have" to have a dedicated full caster Psion because that's the "established" fact. It isn't. It is, very clearly, not what is established right now.

If you're going to get a dedicated full caster Psion, your argument must be more persuasive than "it's established as that". Because if you don't, you will lose.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Oh I see it entirely. I see they THOUGHT it should be that, and it was received so poorly they didn't just decide to tweak it again like they had in the past with some other concepts, but instead entirely proclaimed the Mystic abandoned, the entire philosophy about it abandoned, and changed to something completely different. I feel like you're in denial over what happened here. Which they SAID happened - it's not speculation.

That's just the WotC company line, you can't trust that.

Yeah, you're misinterpreting things. It wasn't the full caster status that was poorly received.

You'd be right, but the end result is still the same, the Mystic, as it was, has been abandoned, justified or not.

 

[dave2008]

It's a psionic class with all of it's powers as abilities. Maybe not fireballs and telekinesis, but then they couldn't do fireball in 1e, either. If you were to make a class with all of the psionic abilities from even 1e, it would have too many abilities in comparison to other classes to be balanced. You'd have to get rid of the vast majority of the psionic powers the class should have, which is why this won't work for a Psion. However, if you do want to get rid of that many powers, the Monk fits the bill. Telekinesis and fireball are just to of the many powers that no longer exist.

Isn't the monk techinically a Ki class? Anyway, I'm not interested in the Monk. I am interested in the Psion.

I never said a base Psion had to use all the powers (disciplines?) of previous additions. In my mind that is what you have subclasses for. You have the base Psion class and then subclasses for the different disciplines. None of them using "casting" but all of them full psionics. Conceptually simple, but clearly WotC and/or the fan base didn't like their initial attempt (the Mystic).

 

[Maxperson]

You'd be right, but the end result is still the same, the Mystic, as it was, has been abandoned, justified or not.

But not the Psion, which was confirmed by the lead designer. There's nothing to indicate that they've abandoned making the Psion a full caster. It's just not a priority to them right now.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

But not the Psion, which was confirmed by the lead designer. There's nothing to indicate that they've abandoned making the Psion a full caster. It's just not a priority to them right now.

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The Psion is The Mystic. Do you not understand that names can change but the central thing can be the same?

 

[Guest 6801328]

I doesn't matter. Let's switch it then and make the class the polar opposite and the 5e UA subclasses 2/3 of the way to the other end of the spectrum. I'll let you make the call on this. Either way, the UA article subclasses are nothing like 1e psionics.

I accept that it feels that way to you.

 

[dave2008]

But not the Psion, which was confirmed by the lead designer. There's nothing to indicate that they've abandoned making the Psion a full caster. It's just not a priority to them right now.

But nothing is ever truly dead in D&D. Doesn't mean we will see the Psion in this edition. You can of course still hope for it. And for your sake, I hope WotC makes one for you.