D&D 5E Here's why we want a Psion class

[Maxperson]

But nothing is ever truly dead in D&D. Doesn't mean we will see the Psion in this edition. You can of course still hope for it. And for your sake, I hope WotC makes one for you.

What he said was that if things in development require it(ie a Dark Sun release), then they will make it, but they won't make it just for the sake of making it. It might or might not appear, but if it does, it will be a full caster.

 

[Maxperson]

The Psion is The Mystic. Do you not understand that names can change but the central thing can be the same?

Not according to Jeremy Crawford. It may feel that way to you, but he said the Mystic was dead, but the Psion was not.

 

[dave2008]

What he said was that if things in development require it(ie a Dark Sun release), then they will make it, but they won't make it just for the sake of making it. It might or might not appear, but if it does, it will be a full caster.

But you don't want just a full caster, you want a class. They could call the sorcerer subclass a Psion and it would be a full caster. But that is not what you want, correct?

Also, they could easily change there minds and decided nothing needs a dedicated Psion class.

 

[Maxperson]

But you don't want just a full caster, you want a class. They could call the sorcerer subclass a Psion and it would be a full caster. But that is not what you want, correct?

How could they possibly do that. Sorcerers use V, S, M and by RAW, psionics in 5e does not use those. Also, by RAW sorcerer's get their powers by blood, not by the mind. Sorcerer fails all over the place.

 

[dave2008]

Not according to Jeremy Crawford. It may feel that way to you, but he said the Mystic was dead, but the Psion was not.

Just to be clear, this is what JC said:

"We haven’t closed the door on a class like mystic/psion. But right now, we’re focused on exploring subclass options. Just as the wizard doesn’t own arcane magic and the cleric doesn’t own divine magic, a potential psionic class doesn’t own psionics. #DnD https://twitter.com/TheCryovolcanic/status/1200835959534817287 … "

So he clearly equates the Mystic with the Psion in the very first sentence. It may not be dead, but the comments are very clear that is not something they are exploring at this time (a Mystic/Psion class). It seems like it needs a wish or similar powerful magic to restore it

 

[dave2008]

How could they possibly do that. Sorcerers use V, S, M and by RAW, psionics in 5e does not use those. Also, by RAW sorcerer's get their powers by blood, not by the mind. Sorcerer fails all over the place.

Psi focus. A psi focus takes the place of your V,S, M? Or, however they are doing it in the subclasses. Oh, like this (from the latest UA):

"Psychic Sorcery. When you cast a spell, you can use your mind to form it, rather than relying on words, gestures, and materials. To do so, roll your Psionic Talent die. The spell then requires no verbal component, and if you rolled the level of the spell or higher, the spell doesn’t require somatic or material components either. "

 

[Maxperson]

Psi focus. A psi focus takes the place of your V,S, M? Or, however they are doing it in the subclasses. Oh, like this (from the latest UA):

"Psychic Sorcery. When you cast a spell, you can use your mind to form it, rather than relying on words, gestures, and materials. To do so, roll your Psionic Talent die. The spell then requires no verbal component, and if you rolled the level of the spell or higher, the spell doesn’t require somatic or material components either. "

By 5e RAW there are no Verbal, Somatic or Material components to psionics. Making a class where it has one doesn't work, so sorcerer doesn't work. Sorcerer is also like I said, bloodline related, not of the mind, so it doesn't work as a base class for psionics.

 

[Guest 6801328]

How could they possibly do that. Sorcerers use V, S, M and by RAW, psionics in 5e does not use those. Also, by RAW sorcerer's get their powers by blood, not by the mind. Sorcerer fails all over the place.

No, in existing examples of NPC psionics, there is no VSM. That's different from saying that psionics don't have VSM by raw.

Furthermore, since you like citing examples from the MM as RAW, Mind Flayers get psionics because of their race. Which means their blood.

Also, class fluff is not "rules". If so, they would have included it in the SRD.

Look, I get that what they're currently offering isn't what you want, and a sorcerer/psionicist is not what you want, but you don't need convoluted arguments about RAW to say that. It's ok to say, "This is my preference and here's why."

 

[Maxperson]

No, in existing examples of NPC psionics, there is no VSM. That's different from saying that psionics don't have VSM by raw.

It's RAW. It says psionics. It says no VSM. That's RAW. It would be absurdly silly, as well as exceedingly dumb to have NPCs psionics not require VSM, but PC psionics do.

Furthermore, since you like citing examples from the MM as RAW, Mind Flayers get psionics because of their race. Which means their blood.

Wrong. It's BRAINpower, not bloodpower. It's not their blood that provides it.

 

[dave2008]

By 5e RAW there are no Verbal, Somatic or Material components to psionics. Making a class where it has one doesn't work, so sorcerer doesn't work. Sorcerer is also like I said, bloodline related, not of the mind, so it doesn't work as a base class for psionics.

Yet that is what they gave us, so in their mind it does.

Also, where in 5e has it been defined what Psionics is? I'll save you some time - it hasn't. You may be able to infer some things from psionic monsters, but that is not a definition and leaves it open for different viewpoints.