Heroes, Inc. : Rasheman

[frostrune]

OOC: Is her brother that highly placed that he may be under suspicion, survelliance, or imprisoned?

It requires significant resources to detect scrying (4th level spell) and it is a personal radius around the caster. I did not get the impression that he is a spellcaster so he would have to be awfully close to one with hostile intent. Mind blank (8th level) would render him immune but again who would cast it or why?

Obviously there may be things we could not or should not know about at this point. Based on character knowledge this seems like a low risk option though. Of course, if he makes his WILL save vs scrying this is all a moot point.

Another info gathering technique could be Banak's prying eyes spell. I know he has used it in the past and I think it could prove usefull again. Perhaps watching the various gates into the city? It lasts for hours and can possibly gather important information on significant personages, typical traffic flow, how various peoples are treated by the guards (Thayns vs Tiger lodge vs other Rashemi), where security might be lax, shift changes, etc...

Yes, I know these gates might be monitored for scrying but these 'prying eyes' have a visual range of 120' and could be placed far outside the 40' radius of the detect scrying spell if we only wanted visual data.

While we further debate the need to infiltrate the city we could put these things to work right now.

 

[Hawkeye]

OOC: Pssst Frostrune, is Timrin going to respond to Shando's question or just ignore him?

Hawkeye

 

[frostrune]

OOC: Pssst Frostrune, is Timrin going to respond to Shando's question or just ignore him?

Hawkeye

OOC: Ooops! Sorry.

Shando sees the troubled look on Timrin's face and approaches him. "My friend, I take it you have some reservations about the manner in which we enter the city? You are afraid that doing so may violate the oaths that you took as a Paladin?"

Timrin is startled from his contemplations by the quiet moving monk. His chin remains down as he looks up at Shando through his brows.

"Aye," he says quietly. "It would be so easy to lie or bluff our way past the guards at the gates. But I cannot. I will be a liability to you all."

 

[frostrune]

OOC: In the midst of typing all this I had another idea...

Why don't we find someone with legitimate papers, offer to buy his goods in full somewhere out of sight, then use his papers and wares to get in?

 

[Hawkeye]

Timrin is startled from his contemplations by the quiet moving monk. His chin remains down as he looks up at Shando through his brows.

"Aye," he says quietly. "It would be so easy to lie or bluff our way past the guards at the gates. But I cannot. I will be a liability to you all."

"Then I believe that I can offer you a way through the gates and into the city honestly, a way that will not violated either the spirit or the word of your vows."

Shando's Holy Radiance comes to life, bathing everyone in a golden light, spreading warmth to those near by.

"I, Shando, humble servant of Ilmater, Disciple of the Temple of Sollaris, do hearby state before Ilmater and you as my witnesses, that my primary intent of entering the city is to provide succor to the hungry and ill as proscribed by the tenets of my faith. All other matters will be secondary. Sir Timrin Goldmantle, Paladin and servant of Helm, will you take a vow to assist me in that service? Will you take a vow to obey my instructions while within the city?"

Hawkeye

 

[frostrune]

Timrin is startled and awed by Shando's sudden and commanding intervention. He bows his head respectfully and speaks haltingly.

"Shando, I... I cannot in good faith take that vow. It would be a falsehood. While aiding you in helping the poor and indigent is a righteous and noble cause, it is not WHY I would enter the city. My presence there would be to protect those seeking knowledge of our enemies."

"You, Alethia... you have been blessed by the very heavens. Your hearts are pure. It is not in you to do any wrong."

"I have all the worries and failings of the common man. I must always be vigilant. I must constantly master my impulses. Doing this for the right reasons is not enough. I must do it RIGHT... or not at all."

Devan nods his head proudly in the background. In the short time he has been with the group it is obvious he has a past with Timrin and the younger paladin looks to him as a mentor.

 

[DM_Matt]

OOC: In the midst of typing all this I had another idea...

Why don't we find someone with legitimate papers, offer to buy his goods in full somewhere out of sight, then use his papers and wares to get in?

The papers have identifying information.

 

[DM_Matt]

OOC: Ooops! Sorry.



Timrin is startled from his contemplations by the quiet moving monk. His chin remains down as he looks up at Shando through his brows.

"Aye," he says quietly. "It would be so easy to lie or bluff our way past the guards at the gates. But I cannot. I will be a liability to you all."

Maggie tries soften Timrin's concerns: "Look, we know that we will bear grave risks entering with identification, and we know that the Thayans are apparently screening for security threats. What is the harm in lying to the Thayans? We have no obligation to tell them that we are here to liberate the city from their grasp. Honor is one thing, stupidity is another. One way or another, we need those papers if we are to defeat the Thayans. think of all the innocents we can save."



Kayla has a suggestion, too. "So, presuming you are unwilling to just pose as a merchant caravan or something, if we, and by we I don't mean you, sneak in, capture a red wizard, and charm or torture him till he makes us all papers, could you use them?"

 

[kirinke]

Alethia looks sharply at Kayla. "Torture is out of the question. Absolutely out of the question." she says harshly, silver flames flickering along her skin as both she and the demon consider the thought athema.

ooc:
Gotta remember, the demon has enough of that sort of blood on his claws to last a thousand lifetimes and Alethia being what she is and her past would consider it to be a Big time no no.

 

[Hawkeye]

Timrin is startled and awed by Shando's sudden and commanding intervention. He bows his head respectfully and speaks haltingly.

"Shando, I... I cannot in good faith take that vow. It would be a falsehood. While aiding you in helping the poor and indigent is a righteous and noble cause, it is not WHY I would enter the city. My presence there would be to protect those seeking knowledge of our enemies."

"You, Alethia... you have been blessed by the very heavens. Your hearts are pure. It is not in you to do any wrong."

"I have all the worries and failings of the common man. I must always be vigilant. I must constantly master my impulses. Doing this for the right reasons is not enough. I must do it RIGHT... or not at all."

Devan nods his head proudly in the background. In the short time he has been with the group it is obvious he has a past with Timrin and the younger paladin looks to him as a mentor.

Shando smiles. "My friend, I am no less special than you are. We are all blessed by the gods. I share the same worries and failings of the common man. I just try to serve Ilmater the best way that I can. My friend we are at war. Is it lying if you make a feint in combat to defeat your opponent? Is it lying when one uses tactics to make an enemy over confident and lead them to their defeat? Is it lying to send scouts out to learn the weaknesses of your enemy? You are our battle leader. Your are our stalwart shield. We need you there Timrin. How does Helm view abandoning your comrades in their time of need? I am not asking you to lie Timrin. I am giving you a legitimate reason to be in the city. I am asking you to take an oath about why you are going to be in the city. I would not ask you to carry out any action that would violate your oaths, that is why I asked you to take a vow to obey my instructions. You will only be in the city to assit me in taking care of the needy and to help protect me. Besides, I need a strong back to help me carry the supplies into the city. Certainly, you aren't going to leave me to do all the work alone?"

Hawkeye