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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5488828" data-attributes="member: 78116">Nobody has given me a single situation this power is superior to just being trained in stealth outside of combat for far - especially considering just how friendly the current stealth rules *actually* for a PC to gain stealth by a reasonable DM. It really does not have any actual benefit outside of combat than what anyone already trained in stealth could do (sometimes for free as a part of doing whatever else they do). Bearing in mind a background makes gaining stealth inherently simple no matter what class you play as.They don't really benefit a wizard that much, who can stand back and gain total cover/conealment in other more action efficient ways. In addition to this your controller and defender - absolutely 100% key roles in the party wasting an entire round just to become hidden is a genuine waste of their actions. There are so few scenarios this is ever worthwhile that I can say it's practically useless. Noting that becoming hidden is NOT worthless - it's absolutely fantastic - but needing to take such a massive action sink to do so *is* what makes it useless in this scenario.The point is even these classes can access far superior options that will be more useful more of the time - they don't take the larger cost of their race to do so. Instead only sacrificing something with a very low cost, like a background.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5488828, member: 78116"] Nobody has given me a single situation this power is superior to just being trained in stealth outside of combat for far - especially considering just how friendly the current stealth rules *actually* for a PC to gain stealth by a reasonable DM. It really does not have any actual benefit outside of combat than what anyone already trained in stealth could do (sometimes for free as a part of doing whatever else they do). Bearing in mind a background makes gaining stealth inherently simple [I]no matter what class you play as[/I]. They don't really benefit a wizard that much, who can stand back and gain total cover/conealment in other more action efficient ways. In addition to this your controller and defender - absolutely 100% key roles in the party wasting an [I]entire[/I] round just to become hidden is a genuine waste of their actions. There are so few scenarios this is ever worthwhile that I can say it's practically useless. Noting that becoming hidden is NOT worthless - it's absolutely fantastic - but needing to take such a massive action sink to do so *is* what makes it useless in this scenario. The point is even these classes can access far superior options that will be more useful more of the time - they don't take the larger cost of their race to do so. Instead only sacrificing something with a very low cost, like a background. [/QUOTE]

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