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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9446309" data-attributes="member: 4348">I'd imagine you are wrong about that.HOWEVER, those who fail to see the other point of view and insist that they are the ONLY correct view, probably misunderstand ONE portion of WHY the protagonist of the movie are actually the bad guys.That said, the main theme, that of the dangers of facism, is one that I"m not sure why you are bringing it into the debate here, unless your default fall back is to try to Godwin the thread?An attempt to bring politics into the thread.The only relation this would have to our discussion is the dogmatic insistence of one group that theirs is the ONLY viewpoint and it has to be correct.  All others are wrong and must be destroyed.  It is a failure to try to understand, and instead to ONLY have the "ONE TRUE WAY".  Everyone must join this way or they are also wrong.Would you like to learn more?I UNDERSTAND that people have different playstyles and WHY some prefer to play with Orcs as different types of Humans.However, I ALSO find that both sides of the discussion have those that REFUSE to  understand why others understand how others game or why....and in the process sometimes refuse to acknowledge that there are other playstyles and experiences (for example, the Alien and Aliens experience vs. that of Loki or Fast and Furious).IT is IRONIC then, that some (emphasis on SOME, there are many who are NOT like this) of those who CLAIM to be accepting are those that refuse to acknowledge there are or were other ways that people see monsters (even with the evidence of movies, fairytales, fantasy fiction, and more staring us in the face where monsters are NOT human and have very different motivations, including just acting for evil or acting for the powers of chaos) and how they are portrayed then their thoughts that there is only one way to play where we have monsters being more humanlike and relatable to humans.Whilst most of those who have seen and played it the other way (monsters are creatures of horror, evil, darkness, and chaos) I've described do not (at least from what I've seen thus far) can understand both viewpoints.I am trying to explain how many saw the game previously (and ironically, despite me actually being one of those playing at the times of the 70s and 80s, have people trying to inform me that no, there is no possible way I actually saw this in real life or something) and that this is not actually a wrong or bad way to play.To UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT others is to accept that there are many ways to play and many ways to understand and enjoy the game.This includes those who see monsters as just that, MONSTERS that represent the powers of Chaos and destruction, as well as those who feel that the game should add a different type of complexity in having many of those monsters be more humanlike. There are also many degrees in between.  Even D&D has not embraced the idea that ALL Monsters are human in thinking yet (only certain, specific races for some reason), as they still have Demons, Devils, and other things of irredeemable evil.To understand and allow others their fun I feel is a fundamental part of having D&D grow and be accepted itself.We gain nothing by trying to force ONE TRUE dogmatic way of playing on others.  It is better to try to accept and understand, than try to force others to play the way we want (unless it is on a smaller scale, such as a group, and done only in order to maintain peaceful relations and a comfortable game amongst the players).</blockquote>

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