Heroes Season 1(#19)---4/23/07-'.07%'

Steel_Wind said:
The List: How is it that Sylar - who has super memory and has seen the list - now can't remember it?

How/when did Sylar get "super memory"?

Taelorn76 said:
Was I the only one who felt that future Hiro's "YOU" was slightly threating towards present day Hiro? And he did not exactly drop his sword either.

FUTURE SPOILER: Future Hiro does not like past Hiro. Hiro actually becomes more or less a "terrorist" in the future a la V from V for Vendetta. Which is a bummer, because he really wants to be a Hero, but it doesn't turn out that way for him, quite the opposite.


Few more misc. things...

I don't think we should necessarily assume Peter is the bomb in NYC. Linderman may not know for sure, and just assume (like all of us) that Peter is the one who explodes.

Also, I sort of got the impression there might be more painters (like Isaac) from all of the paintings Linderman had. Plus some of his comments lead me to beleive there are others like Isaac...
 

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RigaMortus2 said:
How/when did Sylar get "super memory"?

When Sylar killed Charlie in the Texas diner's supply room in episode 8 "Seven Minutes to Midnight".

His use of the super memory is confirmed in the online graphic novel. He most definitely has it.

I don't think we should necessarily assume Peter is the bomb in NYC. Linderman may not know for sure, and just assume (like all of us) that Peter is the one who explodes.

Note: "Wild Theories" are not spoilers - but they might be shrewd enough guesses to become so. Read at your own risk



WILD THEORY: My theory is that it may well be that the problem is that the Exploding Man can be two people: Sylar or Peter.
It can be either of them. I believe that's the subject of next week's episode.

I think that it's both - and the problem is that the Exploding Man happens when you combine super-healing and Ted's "Nuclear power" in the same person and then seriously injure him. The super-healing allows the "nuclear rage" power when triggered to keep ramping up a la Ted-in-Odessa-Texas for a HUGE boom. Otherwise, it would destroy the person with the "Nuclear power" too quickly for the explosion to become so large. (Then you just get Ted in the Bennett's house in Texas - as he would have burned out before it got too big).

If you look back to when Peter has the vision that he's the one who blows up - his mother's precog firing - that happens shortly after he gains the super healing power from Claire.

He saved the cheerleader and stopped Sylar from getting that power - which stopped Sylar from becoming the exploding man after he kills Ted (as he seems fated to do). But in doing so, Peter becomes the alternative trigger in "our" timeline for the same event. (Ted lives - Peter meets Ted - same result; or Ted gets killed by Sylar - Peter meets Sylar again - same result.)

Save the world? Just kill Ted. Kill him now! Before Sylar or Peter ever meet him. :D (Further Speculation: HRG should know this or be able to figure it out. He can't do that though which is why he's bringing Ted to NYC. His memory which would tell him "Don't bring Ted to NYC and meet Petrelli" has been wiped. A memory of Peter Petrelli could lead the Company to Claire - and the Haitian was told to go deep and remove anything that would lead the Company to Claire. So HRG does not know that he's doing the wrong thing.)

So - back to killing Ted....

This will be tough for Hiro to do on moral grounds. I don't think he can do it. That is the Hard Part in ep 21 I'm guessing. :). Hiro needs another solution. He can't just kill Ted. But if he could cure Ted - that might work :)

The needle in the Hiro in the future comic? It's Mohinder's cure. Bring it back from the future - using it can stop the Exploding Man.
  • It could cure Ted;
  • It could cure Sylar - (while letting him live for season two to "get better"); and,
  • it could be used by Claire on Peter as he is about to go boom.

Pick one (or more).

Possible Spoiler here:

Alternatively, it's Peter and it always was Peter - but in the future people are lead to believe that it's Sylar. And that's why future Hiro can't properly fix the past as he's fixing the wrong thing. His fix is what causes the explosion. Saving the cheerleader doesn't save the world. (paradox) I prefer the two alternative causes explanation. It hurts my brain less than the paradox explanation.

Also, I sort of got the impression there might be more painters (like Isaac) from all of the paintings Linderman had. Plus some of his comments lead me to believe there are others like Isaac...

Absolutely. It appears to be a fairly common - and well studied - Heroic gift.
 
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SnowRaven said:
Hiro learns he can't save her, and is thrown forward in time. She still is killed by Sylar though, since Hiro's buddy is still at the diner while they mourn.
They could have been mourning her passing due to the tumor?
 

I just thought of something. Peter has Hiro's powers. He doesn't know it, but he has them, because future Hiro came to him the first time he spoke to Mohinder in the subway car.
 

papastebu said:
I just thought of something. Peter has Hiro's powers. He doesn't know it, but he has them, because future Hiro came to him the first time he spoke to Mohinder in the subway car.

He used them on the rooftop when Mr. Bennet and the Haitian attacked. Claude was hit by the taser, but Peter slowed/stopped time and then used his other powers to get them away safely.

He hasn't experimented with them much, but he's got it. And *should* remember it, anyway... :)
 

Such was discussed way back then. I reasoned that Hiro could talk to Peter while time was otherwise frozen because Peter instantly took on Hiro's power. Otherwise Peter would have been frozen, just like everything else.
 

wolff96 said:
He used them on the rooftop when Mr. Bennet and the Haitian attacked. Claude was hit by the taser, but Peter slowed/stopped time and then used his other powers to get them away safely.

That could have been telekinesis, though I think it was a time stop as well. Either way, one of the taunts Claude uses is that Peter should stop time... which presumably means Peter told Claude about Hiro, and realized he had the power.

Fast Learner said:
Such was discussed way back then. I reasoned that Hiro could talk to Peter while time was otherwise frozen because Peter instantly took on Hiro's power. Otherwise Peter would have been frozen, just like everything else.

I think there's less evidence for that now - Present Hiro can bring Ando with him into the future, there no reason to think Future Hiro would have less ability to control his power than Present Hiro.
 

LightPhoenix said:
I think there's less evidence for that now - Present Hiro can bring Ando with him into the future, there no reason to think Future Hiro would have less ability to control his power than Present Hiro.
Hmm. Perhaps, but I don't know that the two are the same thing, necessarily. Depends on how his power works. Obviously he can bring things through time with him, like his clothes and sword and such, things he's touching. And he can seem to unfreeze things he touches. As such, bringing Ando through time while touching him is a logical extension. Doing at a distance -- quite a distance, as Hiro obviously starts his encounter with Peter off the train entirely -- isn't necessarily part of it.
 

Taelorn76 said:
They could have been mourning her passing due to the tumor?

Nothing was done to prevent her death by Sylar, there's no reason to doubt it still happened. If she would be dead at that time by tumor, she'd have died in the original instance also.
 

Steel_Wind said:
In the future, Sylar absorbs Candace's power - and it is Sylar who is President. Using the power of the government to hunt those who might be able to stop him - cherry picking from the captives from time to time - all while appearing to be Nathan.

I'm not sure, but I think Candice can't fool cameras. So, if Sylar tried this, he'd be caught as soon as he appeared on TV.
 

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