Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#32)---11/19/07-'Cautionary Tales'

Steel_Wind said:
I don't think that Parkman is going to the dark side. I think he is a normal man - with normal feelings, normal faults and an essential humanity. That average schlubb has been given a power of mind control that Internet fan-fiction suggests is the singular fuel for fantasy and abuse.

How would you fare with such a power?

When Parkman decides to know Elle and Claire a whole lot better - at the same time - you might place him in the darkside camp. ;) For now, the identity of a woman in a photo, the forced identification of a serial murderer and a command to just be a normal kid and eat your cereal is not yet a path to the darkside. And telling a boss to let you pursue a murder case which is most definitely not closed so you can, in fact, do the job you were hired to do is not THAT morally gray.

"These aren't the droids you are looking for" != "Discussing the location of the secret rebel base"

Placed on a spectrum, is eating cereal and compelling someone to reveal a name more like "not the droids" or "revealing the location of the secret rebel base"? (Does your answer change if you substitute waterboarding for telepathy? Or a levitating black probe with a cruel needle sticking out of it? Possibly it does.)

Right now he's trying to save a woman's life. A violation of another human being? Yes. Justifiable? Perhaps (and perhaps not).

It may be that Parkman will - in the end - wind up in a darker place - but let's face it: none of the Heroes, save for Peter, Sylar, and Hiro have had such a temptation for corruption laid at their feet. Sylar is a psychopath whose movement to the dark side made black, blacker. Peter on the other hand, is too utterly vapid to understand the bigger implications of what he is or what he can do. Pointing fingers at Peter is like faulting a six year old for having a poorly developed moral compass.

As for Hiro - he failed his first test along the road to Paladinhood too. And several others after that, it seems.

All very good points. To answer them completely would bring us into non-ENWorld appropriate areas of discourse. I'll simply say that it's a question of character. The issue is not whether Parkman would do something mildly wrong in order to do something good. The issue is whether, having discovered how easy it is to do this "one small thing," it them becomes that much easier to justify doing it next time. Or to do something considerably worse in the face of a greater danger. As some of your examples indicate, it is easy to justify doing harm to someone in the name of a good end. The question isn't "Is Parkman now evil," but "will Parkman begin to slide into self-justification and abuse of his power." Right now, I don't know the answer, but the show wouldn't have raised the issue if it weren't a possibility. Matt's choice will eventually be: To become his father, or to become something better.
 

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Phoenix8008 said:
Now when they are talking about only 2 episodes left, that's till the mid-season break right? They aren't cutting the whole season down to these episodes are they?

It's 2 episodes left for this Volume: Generations (Volume 1 was the entire first season. Volume 2 is the first half of this season). Volume 3 is _supposed_ to start after the mid-season break, however, that may be delayed due to the strike.
 

Remus Lupin said:
All very good points. To answer them completely would bring us into non-ENWorld appropriate areas of discourse. I'll simply say that it's a question of character. The issue is not whether Parkman would do something mildly wrong in order to do something good. The issue is whether, having discovered how easy it is to do this "one small thing," it them becomes that much easier to justify doing it next time. Or to do something considerably worse in the face of a greater danger. As some of your examples indicate, it is easy to justify doing harm to someone in the name of a good end. The question isn't "Is Parkman now evil," but "will Parkman begin to slide into self-justification and abuse of his power." Right now, I don't know the answer, but the show wouldn't have raised the issue if it weren't a possibility. Matt's choice will eventually be: To become his father, or to become something better.
I'm going to jump on that thin border for a minute and say that Parkman is going to the darkside because his motifs are selfish. Good ole fashion police work could have produced that woman's name. Remember, Anikan thought his selfish reasons were just to.

If there is another way to get something done, and he uses mind control, i consider that the darkside.
 
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DonTadow said:
I'm going to jump on that thin border for a minute and say that Peter is going to the darkside because his motifs are selfish. Good ole fashion police work could have produced that woman's name. Remember, Anikan thought his selfish reasons were just to.

If there is another way to get something done, and he uses mind control, i consider that the darkside.

You mean Parkman? He took a shortcut when finding his Dad too. Once Molly got the address, detective work could have easily produced the apartment number or other useful information - there was no need for her to risk detection by staying around.

At least in theory. Since Parkman isn't a good cop or detective, he'd probably screw it up without his power.
 

Simplicity said:
I liked the episode... even with the glaring plot hole. Okay, so Claire's blood brings people back from the dead. And they had Adam in captivity for 30 years? Why then did they need Claire at all? Didn't they bother to get some of Adam's blood? Why not? Wouldn't that have been a good idea? Hell, if I were the company I'd have installed a spigot in the guy.
There may well be serious side effects from the process, as possibly evidenced by Nathan's visions. You may pick up more than just healing, making any of their blood less than ideal. It may be that you pick up a psychosis from Adam because he's psychotic, while you wouldn't end up with any negative side effects from Claire because she's sane.
 

Victim said:
You mean Parkman? He took a shortcut when finding his Dad too. Once Molly got the address, detective work could have easily produced the apartment number or other useful information - there was no need for her to risk detection by staying around.

At least in theory. Since Parkman isn't a good cop or detective, he'd probably screw it up without his power.
I am not so sure that Parkman isn't a good detective. But we will never really be able to determine that, since he is telepathic now, and there is no way any kind of detective wouldn't try to rely on that. And his life as a detective started just recently, so it's not like he has a lot of experience in doing detective work without telepathy.

But this tendendy to take dangerous shortcuts will probably lead to more bad things happening. Hopefully, he will eventually learn his lesson..
 

Victim said:
You mean Parkman? He took a shortcut when finding his Dad too. Once Molly got the address, detective work could have easily produced the apartment number or other useful information - there was no need for her to risk detection by staying around.

At least in theory. Since Parkman isn't a good cop or detective, he'd probably screw it up without his power.
My bad Parkman..(sorry four hours of surgery, a vicadin and some unknown pain and my first thought is to check enworld ...i'm such a geek).

I wonder will parkman realize is behavior or will this be a heel turn for the Mohinder/parkman team. Mohinder shot someone to save the company. That's the equivalent of a chair shot.
 

Simplicity said:
I liked the episode... even with the glaring plot hole. Okay, so Claire's blood brings people back from the dead. And they had Adam in captivity for 30 years? Why then did they need Claire at all? Didn't they bother to get some of Adam's blood? Why not? Wouldn't that have been a good idea? Hell, if I were the company I'd have installed a spigot in the guy.
It is always good to have a backup plan. Plus, shelve life, we don't know how long the blood retains it's healing. As far as the spigot, they are more interesting in the creation of a demand for their cure. Adam, maybe out for the Company for the simple reason that for 30 years he has had a spigot in him. The lab rat that just would not die, no matter what they did to him.
 

Alternatively, Bob knew Adam's blood would not work to save Nikki because the virus had been engineered to resist it.
 
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Steel_Wind said:
Alternatively, Bob knew Adam's blood would not work to save Nikki because the virus had been engineered to resist it.
I think Adam's blood whould have worked, one of my reasons for feeling that Bob wants to create the virus, so they who have the cure can come to power and rule the world! :D
 

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