Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#34)---12/03/07-'POWERLESS' Mid-Season Finale (or the End)

[Dire Bare]

There is a real double-standard that I see about Heroes in these threads. If the characters act stupidly or display bathos, somebody defends the show for portraying the characters as real people, not larger-than-life comic book characters.

Then when the show has its moments where something is handled in a ham-handed manner for dramatic purposes, somebody jumps forth to defend it as being very true to its comic-book inspirations.

And sometimes it's the same darn person.

I don't see a double standard. I think most of us agree that Volume 2 was less than perfect, to put it mildly. However, there are many on the intertubes (not picking on any individuals) who overanalyze and metathink the characters actions on a regular basis. And there are some of us who realize the show is trying to be a superheros show about real people discovering powers and making the kinds of mistakes real people would make.

I think it boils down to glass half-empty vs. glass half-full types of viewers.

However, now that Volumes 1 and 2 are done, I do hope that we see some character growth in Volume 3. I still expect the characters to make human mistakes, but less of them as they learn and become more comfortable with their powers and the situations they find themselves in.

 

[Dire Bare]

Note: never trust the person who helped you break out of prison.

Heh, heh, moral of Volume 2 I'd say . . . .

 

[DonTadow]

Well, he didn't get hit with a head shot (by Bennet, no doubt). Peter just pumps some healing juice into him and he's good to go.


Sylar's played out. As a villain, he has no real personality or motivation other than "me want more powers".

You have great insight but I disagree here. Sylar's not me want powers. SYlar is me want Claire's power. Like Lex Luthor wanting superman's abilities, the joker wanting batman to laught and gargamayle wanting 6 smurfs for a bar of gold.

 

[Grog]

I believe the creator (or one of them) has chalked up this "volume" to a learning lesson. He assumed that people would want more of what they got in the first season. He learned he was wrong.

If that's the lesson he learned, then he learned the wrong lesson. The problem wasn't that season 2 was too much like season 1; the problem was that there were way too many incidences of either characters behaving stupidly or things just randomly happening just to move the plot along, and character development was practically non-existent this season. Think about it - Claire went through exactly the same arc with her father this year that she did last year. And it was done much better the first time around.

Oh, and now that they can bring characters back from the dead, that pretty much makes it impossible to take any kind of threat they might face seriously. Adding that ability to Claire's (and presumably, Peter's) blood was probably the worst idea they had this season, and that's saying a lot.

 

[Grog]

On Peter opening the safe, I think it would have been easier to pop or slide each bolt individually instead of trying to mind muscle them all at once.

And it would have been even easier for him to not bother with the telekinesis at all and simply phase through the door. Yet another power he conveniently forgot he had.

 

[DonTadow]

So, I shouldn't be so hard on Heroes, because some other shows have sucked too, er, okay.

I'm fine with being a "fair-weather fan" really. I don't mind leaving a show when it goes a way I don't want, and if others feel like that also, the show will change or die. Making excuses for poor plotting, pacing, dumb characters, and so on... well, that just seems a waste of time for me. I'll just play video games in that timeslot from now on. I'm disappointed I can't watch an engaging show and be entertained, nothing more.

I"ll never understand why people force themselves to watch or be into things they naturally aren't and then complain about how bad an experience it was. I don't like scrapbooking. So I know for a fact that watching a scrapbooking tv show is probably not going to be my cup of tea. If you don't like comic books why watch a show about comic book characters.

 

[DonTadow]

He's used-up. Bbone dry. A two-dimensional thug whose closure is long overdue. Time for him and Peter to be moved along and let some other heroes and villains drive for a while.

I caught the episode you refer to, and he was quite happy to gobble up Claire's powers the second he was able, griinning evilly the whole time like a true 2D dastard. So, he wasn't all that tired of stealing powers, was he? He became the evil president because that's what evil 2D dastards do.

Let's look at comic books, one of my favorite villians bane. In the 90s, bane was an awesome villian, my favorite villian arc still in the batman comics. NOw he's a second class villian, used as a henchmen to more powerful villians. I like this role for sylar. He's the new bane or killer croc, being used by other villians. Imagine if Adam finds him, what he can do to maniuplate him.

Sylar's motiviation is to be the only one with power. That is such an ambitious goal considering how far away from it he is to it. My idea, have sylar do what the house of m did, kill off all but the main heroes on the show. We still don't know how he takes power. HE also has two new powers, some kind of virus healing ability and maybe the ability to shape reality.

 

[drothgery]

And it would have been even easier for him to not bother with the telekinesis at all and simply phase through the door. Yet another power he conveniently forgot he had.

And this is yet another reason why Peter (and Sylar) should have stayed dead. It's hard for the writers to keep track of which powers they have.

 

[drothgery]

Sylar's motiviation is to be the only one with power. That is such an ambitious goal considering how far away from it he is to it. My idea, have sylar do what the house of m did, kill off all but the main heroes on the show. We still don't know how he takes power. HE also has two new powers, some kind of virus healing ability and maybe the ability to shape reality.

I really hope Sylar can't use the powers of those he killed while de-powered. Though for a second last night I thought that the Elle that came back from chasing Sylar was, in fact, Sylar using the illusion power.

 

[drothgery]

Oh, and now that they can bring characters back from the dead, that pretty much makes it impossible to take any kind of threat they might face seriously. Adding that ability to Claire's (and presumably, Peter's) blood was probably the worst idea they had this season, and that's saying a lot.

Probably not Peter's. The regen power isn't inherrent to him.