Heroics Spell Question

[Archade]

Hey all,

Quick question -- the spell Heroics allows a caster to give the recipient a fighter bonus feat for 10/min per level, assuming the recipient meets the base requirements.

Will multiple castings allow multiple feats for the duration?

 

[Iku Rex]

I don't see why not.

 

[ceratitis]

why wouldnt they?
of course you should bear in mind that if one of the preq is a feat granted by the spell when it expires so will the second one. are you the dm? if not simply ask him if he feels its ok, if you are give it a test run. if it gets out of hand cancel it. also look up FAQ ,bet you're not the first to think of it
Z

 

[Archade]

No, I'm the player. I DM, and I'm not sure how I would feel about one of my players doing this...

I'm playing a sorcerer with herocis, so I could grant myself with multiple castings (5 2nd level spells a day) Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, Ranged Disarm, etc... that seems a bit much, even for multiple castings.

 

[Iku Rex]

I'm playing a sorcerer with herocis, so I could grant myself with multiple castings (5 2nd level spells a day) Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, Ranged Disarm, etc... that seems a bit much, even for multiple castings.

Not to me. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting spell, but there are 2nd level spells that easily match the power of a single temporary fighter feat. Would you rather have +6 natural armor and a bite attack (alter self, troglodyte) or the combat expertise feat?

 

[Archade]

Ok, let me put this in perspective... here's a rough list I've put together of fighter bonus feats ...

Awesome Blow MM 303 Str 25, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Large
Blindfight PHB 89 --
Bowslinger FRUD 24 BAB +1
Brutal Throw CV 106
Cavalry Charger CW 108 Mounted Combat, Spirited Charge, Trample, BAB +6.
Cleave PHB 90 Str 13, Power Attack
Close-Quarter Fighting DRAC 103 BAB +3
Combat Brute CW 110 Improved Sunder, Power Attack, BAB +6
Combat Expertise PHB 90 Int 13
Combat Intuition CV 106 Improved Sunder, Power Attack, BAB +6
Combat Reflexes PHB 90
Daunting Presence LMBD 25 Cha 13, BAB +1
Defensive Archery ROW 150 Point Blank Shot
Defensive Strike CW 97 Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge
Deflect Arrows PHB 91 Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike
Dire Flail Smash FRCR 17 Str 13, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (dire flail)
Distracting Attack MB 25 BAB +1
Dodge PHB 91 Dex 13
Double Hit MB 25 Combat Reflexes, Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Dual Strike CV 108 Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Fighting
Exotic Weapon Proficiency PHB ?? BAB +1 (Str 13 for Bastard Sword)
Expeditious Dodge ROW 150 Dex 13
Far Shot PHB 94 Point Blank Shot
Flay Foe FRCR 20 Str 15, BAB +6, Proficient with slashing weapon
Goad CV 109 Cha 13, BAB +1
Great Cleave PHB 94 Str 13, Cleave, Power Attack, BAB +4
Greater Powerful Charge MB 27 Medium, Powerful Charge, BAB +4
Greater Two-Weapon Defense CW 100 Dex 19, Improved Two-Weapon Defense, Two-Weapon Defense, Two-Weapon Fighting, BAB +11
Greater Two-Weapon Fighting PHB 95 Dex 19, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Fighting, BAB +11
Greater Weapon Focus PHB 95 Proficiency, Weapon Focus, Ftr8
Greater Weapon Specialization PHB 95 Proficiency, Greater Weapon Focus, Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, Ftr12
Headlong Rush FRRF 164 Orc or half-orc, BAB +4
Hurling Charge MB 27 Quick Draw, BAB +6
Improved Buckler Defense CW 100 Shield Proficiency
Improved Bull Rush PHB 95 Str 13, Power Attack
Improved Combat Expertise CW 100 Int 13, Combat Expertise, BAB +6
Improved Critical PHB 95 Proficiency, BAB +8
Improved Disarm PHB 95 Int 13, Combat Expertise
Improved Diversion CV 110 Bluff 4 ranks
Improved Feint PHB 95 Int 13, Combat Expertise
Improved Grapple PHB 95 Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike
Improved Initiative PHB 96 --
Improved Low Blow FRRF 165 Dodge, Mobility, Low Blow, BAB +4
Improved Overrun PHB 96 Str 13, Power Attack
Improved Precise Shot PHB 96 Dex 19, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, BAB +11
Improved Rapid Shot CW 101 Manyshot, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot
Improved Shield Bash PHB 96 Shield Proficiency
Improved Shieldmate MB 27 Shieldmate, BAB +4
Improved Sunder PHB 96 Str 13, Power Attack
Improved Trip PHB 96 Int 13, Combat Expertise
Improved Two-Weapon Defense CW 101 Dex 17, Two-Weapon Defense, Two-Weapon Fighting, BAB +6
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting PHB 96 Dex 17, Two-Weapon Fighting, BAB +6
Improved Unarmed Strike PHB 96 --
Improved Weapon Familiarity CW 101 BAB +1
Low Blow FRRF 166 Dodge, Mobility, BAB +4
Manyshot PHB 97 Dex 17, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, BAB +6
Martial Throw MB 27 Dex 17, Improved Unarmed Strike
Mobility PHB 98 Dex 13, Dodge
Mounted Archery PHB 98 Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat
Mounted Combat PHB 98 Ride 1 rank
Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting CV 111 Str 13, Two-Weapon Fighting
Phalanx Fighting CW 103 Shield Proficiency, BAB +1
Pharoah’s Fist SAND 51 Str 15, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist
Point Blank Shot PHB 98 --
Power Attack PHB 98 Str 13
Power Critical CW 103 Weapon Focus, BAB +4
Power Throw CV 111 Str 13, Brutal Throw, Power Attack
Powerful Charge MM3 207 Mediu, BAB +1
Prone Attack CW 103 Dex 15, Lightning Reflexes, BAB +2
Pulverize Foe FRCR 21 Str 15, BAB +6, Proficient with bludgeoning weapon
Pushback MB 27 Str 17, Improved Bull Rush, Power Attack
Quick Draw PHB 98 BAB +1
Ranged Disarm CW 103 Dex 15, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, BAB +5
Ranged Pin CW 104 Dex 15, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, BAB +5
Ranged Sunder CW 104 Str 13, Point Blank Shot, BAB +5
Rapid Reload PHB 99 Weapon Proficiency
Rapid Shot PHB 99 Dex 13, Point Blank Shot
Rapid Stunning CW 104 Combat Reflexes, Stunning Fist, BAB +6
Rattlesnake Strike SAND 51 Wis 15, Improved Initiative, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist
Reckless Charge MB 27 BAB +1
Reckless Offensive FRRF 167 BAB +2, Power Attack
Ride-By Attack PHB 99 Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat
Sharp Shooting CW 105 Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, BAB +3
Shield Charge CW 105 Improved Shield Bash, BAB +3
Shield Slam CW 105 Improved Shield Bash, Shield Charge, BAB +6
Shieldmate MB 28 BAB +1
Shock Trooper CW 112 Improved Bull Rush, Power Attack, BAB +6
Shot on the Run PHB 100 Dex 13, Dodge, Mobility, Point Blank Shot, BAB +4
Skewer Foe FRCR 22 Str 15, BAB +6, Proficient with piercing weapon
Snatch Arrows PHB 100 Dex 15, Deflect Arrows, Improved Unarmed Strike
Spirited Charge PHB 100 Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack
Spring Attack PHB 100 Dex 13, Dodge, Mobility, BAB +4
Staggering Strike CV 112 BAB +6, Sneak Attack
Stunning Fist PHB 101 Dex 13, Wis 13, Improved Unarmed Strike, BAB +8
Supremely Confident D335/88 Perform (act) 7 ranks
Swarmfighting CW 105 Small, Dex 13, BAB +1
Trample PHB 101 Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat
Two-Weapon Defense PHB 102 Dex 15, Two Weapon Fighting
Two-Weapon Fighting PHB 102 Dex 15
Weakening Touch CW 106 Wis 17, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, BAB +2
Weapon Finesse PHB 102 BAB +1
Weapon Focus PHB 102 Proficiency, BAB +1
Weapon Specialization PHB 102 Proficiency, Weapon Focus, Ftr4
Whirlwind Attack PHB 102 Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, BAB +4

I'm playing a sorcerer / bonded summoner. I can give my pet medium earth elemental improved sunder, Weapon Focus, give two more members of the party feats they pick from my list, they all last an hour, and then I start casting my other spells ...

Maybe I've come across a good option for my character, but it seems a little too good, perhaps. That being said, after compiling my list, a lot of these feats aren't going to be useful since the players don't meet the prerequisites, but its still a very good spell for a limited caster like a sorcerer ...

 

[Iku Rex]

Ok, let me put this in perspective... here's a rough list I've put together of fighter bonus feats ...

*downloads thread*

I'm playing a sorcerer / bonded summoner. I can give my pet medium earth elemental improved sunder, Weapon Focus, give two more members of the party feats they pick from my list, they all last an hour, and then I start casting my other spells ...

Maybe I've come across a good option for my character, but it seems a little too good, perhaps. That being said, after compiling my list, a lot of these feats aren't going to be useful since the players don't meet the prerequisites, but its still a very good spell for a limited caster like a sorcerer ...

How many hits does that +1 from weapon focus have to cause in order to match the damage of a basic "blaster" spell? How often will it be dispelled? How soon will your elemental companion be destroyed (wasting the investment)? The tradeoff is that you're getting versatility instead of raw power. Like I said, it's an interesting spell, but it's not overpowered IMO.

 

[Archade]

I certainly hope my Earth elemental won't be destroyed! The penalties for losing it are harsh! (1d4 damage to Str, Dex, Con). Of course, that's why I will have cast mage armor, and false life on good 'ol Rocky, and be ready to jump in with a bull's strength, heroics, shield, or fist of stone spell ...

 

[Iku Rex]

Ah. You're aming to be a dedicated "buffer"? Could be fun. (You seem to know what you're doing, but if you run out of ideas I have lots of suggestions for Sor/Wiz buff spells. Get girallon's blessing next. )

 

[Archade]

I'm a long time DM scratching my itch to play -- I've never played a buffer, or a sorcerer before. I imagine most of my buff spells will go to my earth elemental, and then to me and the other party members (at 38 hp at 5th level, after I cast false life and enlarge person, it seems I may be drafted as a support-fighter-type, sheesh!).

At least I get to alleviate my boredom by playing my earth elemental -- good 'ol rock, nothing beat's rock.

My current spell selection is 0 - caltrops, detect magic, light, mage hand, read magic, resistance; 1 - enlarge person, fist of stone, hail of stone, mage armor, ray of enfeeblement, shield; 2 - false life, shatter, heroics.

My wishlist for spells include 1 - ray of clumsiness; 2 - bull's strength, earthen grasp, greater mage armor, undeniable gravity; 3 - dispel magic, greater magic weapon, heroism, tremorsense; 4 - call of stone, stone shape, stoneskin; 5 - wall of stone; 6 - disintegrate, stone body, summon monster vi. I'm always up for suggestions (although I am sticking to a strict earth theme).