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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3539444" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Obviously, but how much?</p><p></p><p>The guard is blind, but has trained his ears expertly. So he suffers a penalty to Perception? How much? But his hearing is really <em>really</em> good.</p><p></p><p>The rogue sneaking up is <em>silenced</em> but he's carrying a flashing neon sign. So he suffers a penalty to Sneak. How much of one?</p><p></p><p>If these two characters interact in a Sneak v Perception roll with their respective penalties it is possible for the guard to notice the rogue. This should not be possible.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Sure, it's easy to say "it isn't possible for the guard to detect the rogue", but this hyperbole points out the difference twixt the two. When the circumstances are not quite so severe as they are here the ruling becomes more difficult to adjudicate. I don't claim that it isn't possible to roll the skills into Sneak v Perception, merely that it creates more situations for the DM to rule upon; having seperate skills removes the need to arbitrarily rule from the DM and establishes firm expectations for the players. A consistent set of expectations is a virtue, and a reduction in required arbitrary rulings from the DM assists that.</p><p></p><p>You can do it, surely, but situations similar to but less severe than the blind guard v the Electric Cowboy rogue exist and they can potentially cause problems. At the very least the DM should be aware that such potential problems exist and try to be prepared for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3539444, member: 3929"] Obviously, but how much? The guard is blind, but has trained his ears expertly. So he suffers a penalty to Perception? How much? But his hearing is really [i]really[/i] good. The rogue sneaking up is [i]silenced[/i] but he's carrying a flashing neon sign. So he suffers a penalty to Sneak. How much of one? If these two characters interact in a Sneak v Perception roll with their respective penalties it is possible for the guard to notice the rogue. This should not be possible. --- Sure, it's easy to say "it isn't possible for the guard to detect the rogue", but this hyperbole points out the difference twixt the two. When the circumstances are not quite so severe as they are here the ruling becomes more difficult to adjudicate. I don't claim that it isn't possible to roll the skills into Sneak v Perception, merely that it creates more situations for the DM to rule upon; having seperate skills removes the need to arbitrarily rule from the DM and establishes firm expectations for the players. A consistent set of expectations is a virtue, and a reduction in required arbitrary rulings from the DM assists that. You can do it, surely, but situations similar to but less severe than the blind guard v the Electric Cowboy rogue exist and they can potentially cause problems. At the very least the DM should be aware that such potential problems exist and try to be prepared for them. [/QUOTE]
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