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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3540060" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>So purchasing <em>both</em> Hide and Move Silently is too expensive. Ok. So don't max them out.</p><p></p><p>When you're sneaking you'll be able to take 10; it's super easy to get your skill checks up to +10 by 4th level: guards will need to beat a 20 to see or hear you. Stop maxing them and put those skill points into the other skills that you want.</p><p></p><p>I've played a rogue; I say they're skillpoint heavy; I don't have a problem with the idea that any one rogue can't do everything.</p><p></p><p>You want a mechanic?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Open Lock</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Disable Device</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Search</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Use Magic Device</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Craft (something)</p><p></p><p>You want a catburgular?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Climb</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Balance</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Use Rope</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Hide</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Move Silently</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Listen</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Search</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Open Lock</p><p></p><p>You want a scout?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Hide</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Move Silently</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Spot</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Listen</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Survival (cross)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Climb</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Tumble</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Use Rope</p><p></p><p>You want a con artist?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Bluff</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Intimidate</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Diplomacy</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Sense Motive</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Knowledge (Local)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Sleight of Hand</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Gather Information</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Perform (something)</p><p></p><p></p><p>No rogue is going to be able to fit every job, and the problems presented by your DM that require skills are not all round holes for your round-peg rogue. Sometimes you bring the wrong set of skills to the table, or you bring a wider array of less focused skills. You think all rogues *need* Hide and Move Silently? Then give the rogue 2 more skill points. It'll do the same thing without the needless complications that blind people present.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3540060, member: 3929"] So purchasing [i]both[/i] Hide and Move Silently is too expensive. Ok. So don't max them out. When you're sneaking you'll be able to take 10; it's super easy to get your skill checks up to +10 by 4th level: guards will need to beat a 20 to see or hear you. Stop maxing them and put those skill points into the other skills that you want. I've played a rogue; I say they're skillpoint heavy; I don't have a problem with the idea that any one rogue can't do everything. You want a mechanic? [indent]Open Lock Disable Device Search Use Magic Device Craft (something)[/indent] You want a catburgular? [indent]Climb Balance Use Rope Hide Move Silently Listen Search Open Lock[/indent] You want a scout? [indent]Hide Move Silently Spot Listen Survival (cross) Climb Tumble Use Rope[/indent] You want a con artist? [indent]Bluff Intimidate Diplomacy Sense Motive Knowledge (Local) Sleight of Hand Gather Information Perform (something)[/indent] No rogue is going to be able to fit every job, and the problems presented by your DM that require skills are not all round holes for your round-peg rogue. Sometimes you bring the wrong set of skills to the table, or you bring a wider array of less focused skills. You think all rogues *need* Hide and Move Silently? Then give the rogue 2 more skill points. It'll do the same thing without the needless complications that blind people present. [/QUOTE]
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