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<blockquote data-quote="Gromm" data-source="post: 206503" data-attributes="member: 2245">All undead have fairly high Cha (skeletons 11, wights 15, spectres 15, wraiths 15, shadows 13, Vamps/Liches have a bonus). Only zombies have a low Cha. Compared to other undead they aren't out of line, whereas&nbsp; Hill Giants compared to other giants seem way out of line (as in they are obviously the least charismatic, yet have higher Cha than Cloud and Storm giants- the most cultured and charismatic of all giants). Any creature actually described as a &quot;selfish, cunning brute&quot; doesn't seem like a candidate for an incredibly high Cha score. If 1/2 orcs get a penalty, I can't see why the &quot;oddly simian&quot; giants that &quot;seldom wash&quot; shouldn't. At least my half orc bathed even if he was a bit gruff and short with people. Maybe I don't see a Hill Giant as being a perfect negotiator, call me crazy.Its probably a typo thats always been ignored, but in the end its not a big deal (go Hill Giant Sorcerors!).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gromm, post: 206503, member: 2245"] All undead have fairly high Cha (skeletons 11, wights 15, spectres 15, wraiths 15, shadows 13, Vamps/Liches have a bonus). Only zombies have a low Cha. Compared to other undead they aren't out of line, whereas Hill Giants compared to other giants seem way out of line (as in they are obviously the least charismatic, yet have higher Cha than Cloud and Storm giants- the most cultured and charismatic of all giants). Any creature actually described as a "selfish, cunning brute" doesn't seem like a candidate for an incredibly high Cha score. If 1/2 orcs get a penalty, I can't see why the "oddly simian" giants that "seldom wash" shouldn't. At least my half orc bathed even if he was a bit gruff and short with people. Maybe I don't see a Hill Giant as being a perfect negotiator, call me crazy. Its probably a typo thats always been ignored, but in the end its not a big deal (go Hill Giant Sorcerors!). [/QUOTE]

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