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Message: <blockquote data-quote="goldenskull" data-source="post: 9388557" data-attributes="member: 7045950">Not too worried, honestly. Most players will be able to rattle off three qualifying spells they find cool. If not, they can tell their DM what effects they want their monk to create and ask for advice.Even a borderline normie will be able to say something like: Magic Missile, Invisibility, Fireball.And a more experienced one can come up with really cool thematic sets like: Hex, Shadow Blade, Bestow Curse.You mean Stunning Strike? Yeah that's underpowered AF.Boiling it down... proponents of the vanilla monk continuously cycle between 3 incorrect arguments (plus 1 hilariously bad one) and seamlessly abandon one for the next as they get proven wrong - like 4 different motte-and-bailey's on repeat. The response depends on which incorrect argument you're bringing today:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Monks are good at tanking: No. They have the worst AC and HP of any martial, except bladelocks who more than make up for it with Pact Magic. They also don't have any mechanics for drawing threat or redirecting attacks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Well Monks are good at damage: No, they're not. Even optimized, they have absolutely the worst DPR of any class.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Actually Monks are good at control: No. Stunning Strike is weak, situational and ki-limited. It targets the strongest save in the game for a 1-round effect and requires two rolls to actually work, with the second being an average 50-55% chance of failure on leveled threats and 75-85% on BB's. Example: as of 3 years ago, Beau in Critical Role attempted hundreds of Stunning Strikes and only succeeded 34.25%. The monk can't grapple either because you have to dump Str to preserve enough Con to be relevant. A bard can wipe the floor with a monk on control, let alone a wizard, cleric or warlock. And - insult to injury - a cleric will have better AC and a warlock will have better DPR.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">But a Monk has MOBILITY: So it can be useless everywhere.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You're missing the point that Monks are actually for tanking: Blah blah blah forever and ever.</li> </ol>You have now exhausted my patience for you. If you want more, then go watch the video.</blockquote>

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