Homosexuality in the Forgotten Realms

[Kahuna Burger]

Most of the studies that have been published in more hard science sources, ....

Having done both biology and psychology, citing this so called "divide" is pretty much a red flag for me. Numbers are numbers, good experimental design is good experimental design, and the "hard" science folks can make some really dumb design mistakes when they try to study issues that are all about asking questions.

 

[Voadam]

I'd still say that humanoid races don't have any "funky" biological features humans don't have, or they'd probably be monstrous humanoids.

Humanoid subtype reptilian probably have significant biological differences. I seem to remember reading that the Kalamar book on Kobolds and gnomes does something funky with kobold biology.

Oathbound/Complete Minions has humanoid subtypes for avian, canine, feline, ungulate, etc. as well.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Interesting. Projecting prejudices, here?

Nah.

Or just arguing for the sake of argument?

In fact, I was playing on that "elves consider themselves superior" stereotype that seems to be popular with some people.

You're being quite forceful in your insistence that homosexuality doesn't happen among elves.

I'm not insisting that elves are never homosexual. I'm just saying that it's not the norm for them, or that the percentage of homosexual elves isn't significantly higher (or lower) than that of humans.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Secondly: Does *everybody* have a big, hairy, 300+lb *male* in their group that plays nothing but a lesbian female rogue/Half-Celestial???!!!

Nope. In fact, I never saw one in person. Have/had a couple that are near to that weight (but no actual 300+lb persons I think), but none of them ever played a lesbian female, sexy or otherwise. In fact, I can't recall any incident of lesbian females played by any player.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Sorry to pull the thread back on topic, but I managed to sneak a little gayness into the Forgotten Realms in "Faiths and Pantheons." During Llira's mortal exile during the time of troubles, she took a female lover.

Not like anyone bothered to actually read that book (it's "just a rehash" of the 2e god books, I understand), but it's in there if you know where to look.

Apology accepted!

I did read the book, but I guess I'm not attuned enough to lesbian sightings in RPG books to remember that part.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Humanoid subtype reptilian probably have significant biological differences.

You know, I forgot about those, or thought that they were monstrous humanoids.

 

[BiggusGeekus]

The 3rd edition FRCS has an NPC statted up with one line mentioning that she has a female consort. I'd have to plow through the FRCS to find it though and I'm not about to do that just to find alternative lifestyle references.

For the record ....

Two hot chicks getting it on is not an example of open mindedness and tolerance within the FRCS. It's gamer pr0n. Two hot chicks getting it on do not count. No. They. Don't.



And I don't mean to single out Erik here (though I just did when I used his name in this sentence). It applies to Star Trek, the new Batgirl, and all forms of geek culture. When Drizzt and Artemis start playing hide-the-sausage, give me a call. But two hot chicks don't count.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I'm not insisting that elves are never homosexual. I'm just saying that it's not the norm for them, or that the percentage of homosexual elves isn't significantly higher (or lower) than that of humans.

Actually...

A significantly higher percentage of homosexuality among elves could neatly account for at least a portion of their slow reproductive rate.

Consider: elves with a society consisting of mostly homosexual beings, but who so highly value their "breeders" that the hetero elves are almost unknown to those outside their species. Low birth rate would be the norm- valuable to a race that values the environment as highly as they do but who have a "normal" reproductive lifespan perhaps measured in centuries. (In a darker campaign, they may even use cullings to control the balance of the sexual orientations in their culture- akin to the "honor killings" of some RW eastern cultures.)

It could even be a source of friction between them and the (commonly perceived as) conservative Dwarven culture.

Bottom line, though- we don't know for sure. That aspect of elvish life is left for the individual DM to fill in...if he feels like he needs to.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

For the record ....

Two hot chicks getting it on is not an example of open mindedness and tolerance within the FRCS. It's gamer pr0n. Two hot chicks getting it on do not count. No. They. Don't.

I agree. That doesn't mean that I disagree with it, though

Great, now I have the image of a "battle" between a nymph and a succubus in mind.

When Drizzt and Artemis start playing hide-the-sausage, give me a call. But two hot chicks don't count.

No problem. The guy who's shouting "AAAARGH!" loud enough to be audible in outer space will be me.

Artemis! [sblock=From Road of the Patriarch]
In Road of the Patriarch, he kills a priest that mistreated him when he was young. It isn't spelled out, but it's quite possible that he was molested by that priest. It explains why he's such a bastard, and why he hates clerics.
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[Dannyalcatraz]

Great, now I have the image of a "battle" between a nymph and a succubus in mind.

I'm casting Grease.