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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5771896" data-attributes="member: 59057">What i liked about the 4e fighter: If you strip him of all his powers, he would still do its job very well. He has a cool battlefield control mechanic.Claims, that nothing makes sense don´t make sense at all: it is a game, and the base traits are not too unrealistic.The fighter of 4e can exploit the fact, that you need to open your guard when you attack a different enemy.The impression, that the fighter is a second class fighter comes from 3.5 actually, where the rogue deals his great sneak attack damage (which was nice actually) but transitioned badly into 4e strikers.Take strikers (other than the warlock maybe) out of the system, and reduce hp of monsters accordingly, and suddenly wizards and fighters deal enough damage to e called cometent at actually killing. I want a 4e fighter without powers (and maybe a more realistic marking system) and without strikers that overshadow his combat abilities.</blockquote>