Horrid Wilting

[Scion]

This thread has made me annoyed.

It has made me annoyed because it made me realize that now, even horrid wilting has been nerfed down to the silly "1d6/level" standard.

It's friggin eighth level. It should do more damage than a wussy fireball. OK, higher damage cap. OK, pinpoint targeting (which is mostly good, but bad if you're dealing with invisible things). But it's still five levels higher, it should do more damage!

It also hits a much larger area and does nonelemental damage, does that help? Oh, and it is a fort save, so no evasion (although more things have a high fort save than a high reflex save in my experience).

 

[Scion]

I think it's a wide-spread problem that I see more and more in America...people stating opinion as fact.

I believe this is a human condition, rampant pretty much everywhere that humans are to one degree or another. I know that when I go traveling around the world I have seen it every place I have gone from degrees of barely noticeable to it being so common place to 'not' do it brings contempt

A bit off topic of course, I just dont like the singleing out of any one people when most/all are to blame.

ahh well.. back to the rampant discussion of whether or not most every creature should be a tough call or an easy call..lol

 

[Nail]

Could you Flesh to Stone a fire elemental?

Now that question, I like.

I think it could be answered like this:

Do you need flesh to be alive?

No. There are living things that don't have flesh, at least in the normal sense of the word. Flesh is organic, has blood, tissue, and organs, etc.

Do Fire elementals have flesh?

No. Although they are alive (and hence subject to Horrid Wilting... ), they are made of fire, not flesh. Fire!=flesh.

......therefore Flesh to Stone is ineffective on a fire elemental (or water, or earth....).

 

[Oryan77]

I agree with that. Usually better in the rules forum, but seems to have been bad lately.

I think it's a wide-spread problem that I see more and more in America...people stating opinion as fact. Instead of saying, 'I don't like that' they say 'that is stupid'.

I came into this thread thinking I had a logical answer to the posters question that I wasn't seeing being discussed. I gave RL facts to back up my opinion, but they may not be D&D facts. It doesn't mean mines the correct answer; as everyone has said, both answers are reasonable so it's the DM's decission which one he wants to go with. But 2 or 3 times I've had posters on this thread reply to me with snooty remarks basically telling me to shutup because I'm dead wrong. I have discussed D&D in RL with a dozen different gamers, even some I didn't know, and they always show me respect when we disagree. I've never had a person in RL tell me, "There goes your argument" because that's disrespectful. It's no big deal really, it's not as bad on Enworld, but it happens (like in this thread).

Could you Flesh to Stone a fire elemental? That seems like a better example of having to make a judgement call all the time.

I was thinking about the same type of stuff. Only my example was about Withered Limbs from Book of Vile Darkness. If people are so lenient on the rules for Horrid Wilting, I wonder if they'd allow Withered Limbs to work on a Fire Elementals "arms".

 

[Nail]

Post the relevant text from the sepll, and we'll see.

 

[werk]

......therefore Flesh to Stone is ineffective on a fire elemental (or water, or earth....).

How about an ethereal filcher?

 

[Oryan77]

Post the relevant text from the sepll, and we'll see.

Eh, as I looked up the spell, it targets "Humanoid creatures". I take it a Fire Elemental isn't a humanoid creature

 

[Oryan77]

Fire!=flesh.

And for those that don't know, != is a programming term meaning "does not"

Sorry, I had to do that

 

[Nail]

Sorry, I had to do that

touche!

 

[Nail]

How about an ethereal filcher?

...which is really the question "Do extraplanar creatures have flesh" in disguise.

Angels, for example, have organs (and hence flesh), since they can be sneak attacks, etc. Ethereal Flichers can be sneak attacked, so.....