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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8826247" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Just a comment on this. First of all, I don't think JRRT would be as much "bemused" by Rings of Power, as aghast, and disavow the show thoroughly.</p><p></p><p>But more to my point, this notion that the books you mention would cause "at least as much confusion and alarm." Tolkien is dead and gone, but I think we can confidently say that this is just patently false - and enormously so. All of those works are actually his - they were just assembled and edited by his son, who was intimately familiar with his father's world. But unlike the Brian Herbert books, they were actually and mostly written by the originator. It is a false equivalency, that obfuscates the important differentiation of what is and is not Tolkien's actual work. Everything in the Silmarillion is JRR's. It was compiled by CT, but it is still his father's work.</p><p></p><p>More <em>bemusing </em>is the implied equivalency of Rings of Power and the Silmarillion et al, as far as "canonical" validity. There is no equivalency between the two. One is the actual work and stories of JRRT, and the other is a show that uses those stories as inspiration.</p><p></p><p>As far as this hullabaloo about what CT said about <em>The Silmarillion, </em>I don't think he was saying it isn't canonical. Again, the notion of a "Tolkien canon" is just misguided from the start. As I said before, a canon has some value to a shared universe so that authors can refer back to a body of knowledge and stories that is official, that they have to keep into account. But there is no Middle-earth canon. There's just Tolkien's Middle-earth, and different versions by film-makers and GMs, which are their own, but have no real relationship or connection to the original, except that they used it as source material.</p><p></p><p>All CT is doing is clarifying the nature of <em>The Silmarillion</em>: the myths and legends of Middle-earth, and as they might be remembered by people during the time of LotR, and thus "veiled" by large passages of time, as all myths and legends are. But they are still "true," even if there are inconsistencies, just as myths of Greek heroes and gods were "true" to ancient Greek culture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8826247, member: 59082"] Just a comment on this. First of all, I don't think JRRT would be as much "bemused" by Rings of Power, as aghast, and disavow the show thoroughly. But more to my point, this notion that the books you mention would cause "at least as much confusion and alarm." Tolkien is dead and gone, but I think we can confidently say that this is just patently false - and enormously so. All of those works are actually his - they were just assembled and edited by his son, who was intimately familiar with his father's world. But unlike the Brian Herbert books, they were actually and mostly written by the originator. It is a false equivalency, that obfuscates the important differentiation of what is and is not Tolkien's actual work. Everything in the Silmarillion is JRR's. It was compiled by CT, but it is still his father's work. More [I]bemusing [/I]is the implied equivalency of Rings of Power and the Silmarillion et al, as far as "canonical" validity. There is no equivalency between the two. One is the actual work and stories of JRRT, and the other is a show that uses those stories as inspiration. As far as this hullabaloo about what CT said about [I]The Silmarillion, [/I]I don't think he was saying it isn't canonical. Again, the notion of a "Tolkien canon" is just misguided from the start. As I said before, a canon has some value to a shared universe so that authors can refer back to a body of knowledge and stories that is official, that they have to keep into account. But there is no Middle-earth canon. There's just Tolkien's Middle-earth, and different versions by film-makers and GMs, which are their own, but have no real relationship or connection to the original, except that they used it as source material. All CT is doing is clarifying the nature of [I]The Silmarillion[/I]: the myths and legends of Middle-earth, and as they might be remembered by people during the time of LotR, and thus "veiled" by large passages of time, as all myths and legends are. But they are still "true," even if there are inconsistencies, just as myths of Greek heroes and gods were "true" to ancient Greek culture. [/QUOTE]
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