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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Malin Genie" data-source="post: 213008" data-attributes="member: 1058">I'm a fan of using skills, with appropriately high DCs, to achieve difficult or unusual tasks.Using the Search/Disable Device template of DC 25 + spell levelBluff check DC 27 to beat Detect Thoughts (Bluff includes controlling your surface thoughts so as not to inadvertently betray yourself by a movement or reaction.) Bluff check DC 29 effectively circumvent Detect Lies (whatever internal inconsistency it is that triggers the spell, you have learnt to control it.)Or you could substitute Innuendo checks (with the rationale that Innuendo allows you to embed meanings in otherwise innocent communication.  If you embed the truth deeply in a lie, the spell will pick up that your ''meaning" is the truth, despite the fact that what you are saying is, on face value, a lie.  Great skill is needed to walk the tightrope of providing enough 'truth' to satisfy the spell but hiding it well enough to prevent others figuring it out!  This approach also rewards interrogators with good Innuendo skills, who can make checks to pry out the inner meaning of the apparently innocent statement.)The DCs are high enough not to make it a sure thing (unless you are a high-level, specialised Rogue - in which case you deserve some reward!)It also means a high-level caster could get some value out of Heightening these spells...</blockquote>