House rule for damage and creatures too big.

[Fieari]

The new grim-n-gritty rules were mentioned, which I think you should look into getting (rpgnow has it, pretty cheap too). A purple worm in said system has 328hp, while a level 12 fighter with 18 con would have a mere 30hp. Additionally, the purple worm gains DR 15/- that even works against magic (the fighter might have a similar style DR, but only in the 5-10 range). That purple worm just became a NASTY little bugger.

(On the other hand, in this system, its AC is 1d20-6 for each attack made on it, and the system effectively includes automatic power attack, in that the more your roll over the target, the more damage you do... so its still possible to kill it with sufficient skill and great caution)

 

[Aust Diamondew]

I'm sure the complaining player has no problem with a wizard killing a colossal critter with a fire ball.

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[Bayonet_Chris]

Your reply could be to a great deal of things posted previously–please specify what you are replying to so we know what you're trying to say.

I glanced at the values in the SRD - my bad if I got them wrong. No need to be rude.

I think he's saying that since the values and concepts in D&D have their own internal logic (not relevant to the real world) that this discussion is kind of moot - a human fighter can hurt a collossal dragon because the rules say he can. It doesn't have to make sense externally.

 

[genshou]

I glanced at the values in the SRD - my bad if I got them wrong. No need to be rude.

I think he's saying that since the values and concepts in D&D have their own internal logic (not relevant to the real world) that this discussion is kind of moot - a human fighter can hurt a collossal dragon because the rules say he can. It doesn't have to make sense externally.

Oh... that makes a lot more sense now.

Sorry if I was rude. I just don't like seeing the wrong numbers (OCD + perfectionism).

 

[Sundragon2012]

I think he's saying that since the values and concepts in D&D have their own internal logic (not relevant to the real world) that this discussion is kind of moot - a human fighter can hurt a collossal dragon because the rules say he can. It doesn't have to make sense externally.

Well you can extend this logic to the ridiculous. There are things that DMs change all the times for the sake of the suspension of disbelief. This is normal and I have done it myself in some instances. If I can't see something as being possible in even the most over-the-top Indiana Jones or Arnold Schwarzenegger flick I will work on fixing it so that there is something somewhat believable in it. My players have even requested this on some occasions.

Some things are just.......well......stupid.


Chris

 

[genshou]

I'm sure the complaining player has no problem with a wizard killing a colossal critter with a fire ball.

It'd take more than 1 fireball to take out most Colossal critters (damage on maximized fireball at damage cap: 60). But that's still something I'm not sure how much of anything smaller than the maximized fireball itself can survive And does the player complain that they can survive that fireball too? Certainly not!

W00T! 1000 post!

Congrats!

 

[Bayonet_Chris]

Well you can extend this logic to the ridiculous. There are things that DMs change all the times for the sake of the suspension of disbelief. This is normal and I have done it myself in some instances. If I can't see something as being possible in even the most over-the-top Indiana Jones or Arnold Schwarzenegger flick I will work on fixing it so that there is something somewhat believable in it. My players have even requested this on some occasions.

Some things are just.......well......stupid.


Chris

Of course they are, which is why this forum exists. I was just posting how I interpretted the previous post. <shrug> There are many rules that I find too silly for my tastes and I agree they should be changed. I do it all the time.

 

[Sundragon2012]

Too much external logic applied to a game with it's own internal logic and rules.

Play the game.

I don't believe that the human warriors assault on a colossal wyrm is impossible in a fantasy setting, but I am very open minded regarding rules that support at least a veneer of realism. The weakest logic IMO is that the rules say it is so and it is so. Damn, that line of thinking removes the need for anything outside of WoTC books.

There are many ways of doing things as a DM that are equally acceptable.


Chris

 

[Sundragon2012]

Of course they are, which is why this forum exists. I was just posting how I interpretted the previous post. <shrug> There are many rules that I find too silly for my tastes and I agree they should be changed. I do it all the time.

Cool, we agree.

Chris

 

[genshou]

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I don't believe that the human warriors assault on a colossal wyrm is impossible in a fantasy setting, but I am very open minded regarding rules that support at least a veneer of realism. The weakest logic IMO is that the rules say it is so and it is so. Damn, that line of thinking removes the need for anything outside of WoTC books.

There are many ways of doing things as a DM that are equally acceptable.


Chris

Oh, a human warrior can try, but he better be really high level! A CR 20 red dragon (very old age category) has an AC of 36, an attack bonus of +40, 18d10 breath weapon damage (average 99, save DC 30 for half), can fly very fast to avoid melee attacks, and can cast spells as a 13th-level sorcerer. The creature's SR of 26 is noteworthy but not as pertinent against a Fighter.