How about a deadline to WotC?

[Morrus]

A question for you Morrus, since you're in this thread and it has tangentially come up. How do you feel about the lack of a web site license for 4e material?

This is a news and discussion site, very comfortably within fair use. We can talk about D&D all we like. Hell, it would suck for WotC if nobody was allowed to talk about their game!

I might have missed it, but I don't see anything in the 4e GSL allowing for your hosting on this site material which has elements contained in the 4e SRD.

I have a good relationship with Scott, et al. Any issues can be resolved amicably and quickly. I don't anticipate any problems, and I'm fairly sure they don't either.

 

[justanobody]

you just having an opinion you plucked out of the air

I have no idea what that means or how it relates to my post.

he lost me too...

That is how it relates. IF I did have data showing that I wrote something and sold or gave it to people and it increased the sales of D&D, or in my hypothetical AD&D, then without permission to write and give it away, I could not present any data and it would be seen as:

"just having an opinion you plucked out of the air"

and also not allowed to be said on this forum.

 

[Fifth Element]

The last thing scares me, but again I ask, was book of erotic fantasy OGL or STL?

IIRC, that book was the impetus for putting the objectionable material clause in the STL? Am I right?

 

[joethelawyer]

That is how it relates. IF I did have data showing that I wrote something and sold or gave it to people and it increased the sales of D&D, or in my hypothetical AD&D, then without permission to write and give it away, I could not present any data and it would be seen as:

"just having an opinion you plucked out of the air"

and also not allowed to be said on this forum.

dude, i'm still lost...maybe its the sudafed, nasal spray, and the cough syrup pumping through my system, but i am missing the point you are tyying to make...

 

[catsclaw227]

God forbid they save on marketing the PHB or DMG because I was able to make something that caused people to need to buy it and WotC didn't have to shell out any extra money for that advertising. How much do TV commercials cost these days? Not just the 30 seconds of time, but production as well.

So what I am offering is less marketing costs and accounts payable for WotC, with an increase in accounts receivable and sales due to the increased interest in the product for D&D that only they can make and sell.

Wow. You must think really highly of your so called "product". Your post implies that you believe a non-4e gamer will happen upon your book/program/product, read it and say, "OMG, I was never going to before, but now I want to buy the 4e PHB from WOTC, because this third party product is so awesome!!"

Do you really believe that you have a product in mind that you think will single-handedly generate enough sales of PHBs and other core books that WOTC would rush to get the GSL done with the proper edits to give you the access you need?

Do you have a product at all? I mean, are you a publisher, or a have aspirations to be a publisher (that can perform the kind of sales magic for WOTC that you claim?)

 

[catsclaw227]

That is how it relates. IF I did have data showing that I wrote something and sold or gave it to people and it increased the sales of D&D, or in my hypothetical AD&D, then without permission to write and give it away, I could not present any data and it would be seen as:

"just having an opinion you plucked out of the air"

and also not allowed to be said on this forum.

Sure you could. If I am not mistaken, you can use OSRIC to publish an AD&D compatible module or product, can't you? And I know nothing of OSRIC (or OSRIC 2.0).

 

[justanobody]

dude, i'm still lost...maybe its the sudafed, nasal spray, and the cough syrup pumping through my system, but i am missing the point you are tyying to make...

Morrus said this:

WotC has data
I have opinion

WotC values its data over my opinion.

IF I had data to show I would have no way to present it just to prove mine was not an opinion.

Do you have a product at all? I mean, are you a publisher, or a have aspirations to be a publisher (that can perform the kind of sales magic for WOTC that you claim?)

I have something homebrew that, should I choose to, could be converted to 4th edition.

I have a printer and have done small print jobs for businesses before, but also can make PDFs.

And people call me a skeptic!

What could a non-porn* product I make do to harm WotC or 4th anymore than the word of mouth and 4th edition itself has done to harm it?

I don't buy porn, nor want it in my D&D so still don't know much about the BoEF.

 

[Fifth Element]

IF I had data to show I would have no way to present it just to prove mine was not an opinion.

Why in the world not?

 

[Morrus]

That is how it relates. IF I did have data showing that I wrote something and sold or gave it to people and it increased the sales of D&D, or in my hypothetical AD&D, then without permission to write and give it away, I could not present any data and it would be seen as:

"just having an opinion you plucked out of the air"

and also not allowed to be said on this forum.

I do not beleive any data could exist - you would need access to TSR's (then) sales records and a comprehensive statistical analysis which proved a correlation between your effort and their sales; and that said correlation was statistically significant (i.e. proving that two of your mates bought something becaus eof it is irrelevant). It would be a very complex and detailed proof.

Furthermore, even in you did have such details, you would need vastly wider statistics to provide evidence that it was anything more than a statistical aberration in that one case.

On the plus side, I do believe that you believe that.

I hereby give you permission to post, here on EN World, any such proof without moderator recrimination. Feel free to provide this data.

 

[catsclaw227]

I have something homebrew that, should I choose to, could be converted to 4th edition.

I have a printer and have done small print jobs for businesses before, but also can make PDFs.

Honestly, no offense, but this alone isn't enough to convince WOTC to alter their GSL to meet the needs you are expressing. If Clark at Necromancer Games can't get the changes done in time, I am not sure if justanobody can do it, unless you are a well credentialed, highly influential member of the RPG publishing community and you are just being modest.