How about a deadline to WotC?

[Imaro]

I'm not familiar with the terms of their license (the trademark portion, not the OGL portion, presumably there is one since 3PP products seem to have the RQ logo on them). But that makes two if it's royalty-free.

Of course, Mongoose would likely not exist without WotC's OGL.

Here you go... Open Game Systems - RPGnetWiki .. sometimes I feel like enworld has tunnel vision when it comes to certain things, outside the realm of the d20 system.

* And while Mongoose may not have come into existence without WotC's OGL... they certainly are staying within the spirit of the old OGL, with their license, free magazine, etc.

 

[xechnao]

I don't understamnd what you mean by distinguishing "interest" from "preference" or "taste", but no worries.

For clarity: it's also not a matter of preference or taste for me. It's about rational business decisions; period. Nothing else.

Yeah, that is part of what I meant. I thought it was clear from context but I see that when you say "it is personal" in english you want to distinguish it from rationality. Bad choice of wording from my part. Perhaps I should have said "matter of perspective" -it could have been more clear...?

 

[Hussar]

Uhm Mongoose's Runequest system is OGL.

Yes, using WOTC's own OGL license.

Rephrase the question. How many companies have produced their own, unique OGL that is in no way related to d20?

 

[Imaro]

Yes, using WOTC's own OGL license.

Rephrase the question. How many companies have produced their own, unique OGL that is in no way related to d20?

I don't understand what you're saying/implying here. Runequest and d20 use totally different systems, but you're complaining that Mongoose used the old OGL as a basis to release their different system out. Ok, but how does this in anyway impact the fact they chose to release a non-d20 system out under the OGL... Please re-read the post I was responding to, I never asserted anything as far as the license used... only that their company had released their Runequest system under an OGL. For other please check out the link I provided.

 

[Fifth Element]

Here you go... Open Game Systems - RPGnetWiki ..

That doesn't address my question. I asked about the license for the trademark/logo, not just the rules. A simple google search told me that the system was OGL and had an SRD. But I notice Mr. Kim uses the term "Runic SRD", which implies there's a separate license for using the actual name "RuneQuest". Any linkage to help me out there?

sometimes I feel like enworld has tunnel vision when it comes to certain things, outside the realm of the d20 system.

Or, perhaps, since it's a D&D site we're mostly D&D players rather than RuneQuest players. And I personally haven't published anything since last fall and have no immediate plans to, and wouldn't do so for RQ anyway since I don't know it, so why would I keep up on RQ licensing?

 

[Imaro]

That doesn't address my question. I asked about the license for the trademark/logo, not just the rules. A simple google search told me that the system was OGL and had an SRD. But I notice Mr. Kim uses the term "Runic SRD", which implies there's a separate license for using the actual name "RuneQuest". Any linkage to help me out there?

Yes, one can use the Runequest logo for free. There are more restrictions than in using the OGL without the logo, but it's still free. Here's an intervview on RPG.net with Matt Sprange where he confirms it. RPGnet : The RPGnet Interview #14: Matthew Sprange, RuneQuest check near the bottom of the page.

Or, perhaps, since it's a D&D site we're mostly D&D players rather than RuneQuest players. And I personally haven't published anything since last fall and have no immediate plans to, and wouldn't do so for RQ anyway since I don't know it, so why would I keep up on RQ licensing?

Yep, so you agree with me. I just found it a little odd for you to imply, and perhaps I took it the wrong way, that only WotC did this and a former d20 company (and a pretty big one at that) does allow it as well.

 

[Fifth Element]

Yes, one can use the Runequest logo for free. There are more restrictions than in using the OGL without the logo, but it's still free. Here's an intervview on RPG.net with Matt Sprange where he confirms it. RPGnet : The RPGnet Interview #14: Matthew Sprange, RuneQuest check near the bottom of the page.

Thanks.

Yep, so you agree with me. I just found it a little odd for you to imply, and perhaps I took it the wrong way, that only WotC did this and a former d20 company (and a pretty big one at that) does allow it as well.

My point was merely that's it's a rare thing (note how I phrased it as a rhetorical question). That two companies do it is little different from a single company doing it, especially since in this case, the second company was built upon the first's doing of the thing.

 

[JackSmithIV]

Sorry mate, you really sound like a nice chap, and I am sure you will produce some great 4e products

hugs?

Haha, no worries

 

[carmachu]

How about the very existence of the OGL and GSL? They didn't have to do the OGL with 3E. They didn't have to have the GSL with 4E, they could have just closed it up.

What other major gaming company offers a royalty-free license to allow other publishers to use their trademark? Heck, when Green Ronin started licensing True20, they charged a fee.


If the original GSL is "absoulte" hostile, why is it being used by some companies?

Where does all this anger come from? Between justanobody and carmachu, you'd think WotC ran over their kittens or something.

They did in a way. Thats what the GSL is, so to speak. It interferes with my ability to buy good quality products.

OGL was created many many moons ago. In the term some always say "what have you done for me lately?" OGL is something their trying to reverse, so holding it up now isnt much good.

GSL shows caring by its existance? Really? Are you reading the same document as I did, with the yanking and the poison pill and other restrictions? If thats your example of caring, you prove my point. The lack of revision in timely manner, and the delays prior sows as well.

 

[carmachu]

I believe it would. I can think of, offhand, dozens of companies that would not exist without the OGL. Extanding that, form my own work, I can think of several freelancers who have careers in the industry because of my actions. I am not vain enough to think I'm unique in that, so I multiply that by all those companies out there - Mongoose, Goodman, Green Ronin, Necro and dozens more have all jumpstarted careers, some in major ways.

Where did Mike Mearls come from?

But we can disagree.

Yes where did Mike Mearls come from...but more importantly, where is he now?

Yes Wotc has benefited from OGL as well. Maybe not in sheer $$$$$ terms, but they have had benefits from it.