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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tuft" data-source="post: 5068080" data-attributes="member: 60045">Sorry, sounds very much like a badwrongfun argument to me. Hate to break it to you(*), but optimization has not even the proverbial rat's behind to do with group survival, challenge or task fullfillment. Those things are entirely dependent on what the DM's decisions are when he sits down to design the encounters in question. The DM can throw a too-tough encounter at a non-optimized party and kill it off. But it is just as easy to do to an optimized one - it's just a few numbers that differ, and those numbers are entirely at the DM's discretion. The DM can throw a too-easy encounter at an optimized party and bore everyone terribly. And he can just as easily do that an non-optimized one. And he can find an encounter that is "just right" for the party - and that is just as easy for a non-optimized party as it is for the optimized one.It does not matter how many powers and feats you stack in your quest for optimization - the DM can always add a few numbers to the monster stats and simply kill... you... off! If there is a "social obligation", then it is for the DM to create the right level encounter, no matter how "optimized" or "non-optimized" the party is. (*) No, not really <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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