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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5068603" data-attributes="member: 67338">wait needing a 10 against an equal level monster at level 1 is less fun then... what again...     did you even read that with a longsword he is still on par to hit.  Inless the DM unlike anyone here (myself, and the op included) knows more about what is going on...      again a swordmage with a 14 Int and a longsword has a +5 to hit Vs AC... (the pregen fighter that comes with it has a +6 to hit with fighter weapon talent added in...so it can't be that bad right?)lets look through keep on the shadowfell (I both played in and ran in it so I know it well)encounter 1 8 kobolds... 2 with 18 ACs (he needs 13s to hit) 5 with 15 ACs (he needs 10's to hit) and 3 with 13 ACs (he needs 8's to hit)encounter 2 5 kobolds 4 with 18 ACs (13;s again) 1 with a 17 AC (he needs a 12), and 1 with a 15 (10)lets do some quick avrages... that is 6 18's, 1 17, 6 15's, and 3 13's...for an avrage AC of 15.8... we will round that up to 16, or needing an 11 aka 50/50 shot of hitting on avrage...I will sblock the next 2 encounters in the book incase you don't want to be spoiled....[sblock=on the off chance you don't know what is comeing]outside the kobold layer are 13 kobolds... 11 with 15 AC, 1 with an 18, 1 with a 13 AC...Inside we have 2 waves of monsters          wave 1  13 AC 15 Kobolds...Wave 2 3 18;s (One is the BBEG called Irontooth) and 1 17 AC...[/sblock]what does that bring us too... well  30 AC 15's, 10 AC 18's, 4 AC 13's, and 2 AC 17'swhat does that do to our average it lowers it slightly, but not enough to really matter... 15.56... so still round up to 16, witch means hit on 11, witch is roughly 50/50But there is still the other road...[sblock=what my PCs did (realspoilers you have been wanred)]My PCs hit the buaral ground before the kobolds... so lets look at that (I am useing the orginal I belive there is a modfied one)8 monsters... 4 with AC 14, 3 with AC 15, 1 with AC 16[/sblock] counting all of that as level 1 with no magic item drops at all it comes out to 4  AC 134  AC 1433 AC 151  AC 162  AC 1710 AC 1854 monsters with an average AC of 15.666 or round up to 16. He has a +5 attack bonus with a 14 Int and a non magic longsword... witch hits roughly 50% of the time...so is anyone going to try to argue when I show my math...</blockquote>

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