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How Can You Politely Say, "Your Character Sucks?"
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<blockquote data-quote="Mika" data-source="post: 5070030" data-attributes="member: 56588"><p>I see a couple of possibilities here.</p><p></p><p>The obvious one is that this player is coming from 3.5, where a +2 bonus to your primary attack stat is considered just fine -- especially since class choice generally overwhelms stat differences in the long run. This possibility can be taken care of by ensuring that the player understands just how important the attack bonus stat is in 4E. If that is the case, it should be dealt with quickly -- ability scores assignment is one of the few initial decisions that cannot be fixed by retraining.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, I could see a player who knows exactly what he is doing giving an assault swordmage from a race that has a bonus to strength but none to intelligence a 14 intelligence and a higher strength. Suppose he is aware of the Intelligent Blademaster feat but has other ideas for his initial feat -- say, multiclassing into a strength based melee class. His basic function of teleporting to make a basic attack against his marked foe would work just fine, and he can pick some class powers that are still reasonably effective when they miss -- so it is possible (albeit very difficult) to make a combat effective swordmage with that low of an intelligence. Still, I would not go that way -- my preference in this case has always been to have both strength and intelligence at 16+, with intelligence a point or 2 higher.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mika, post: 5070030, member: 56588"] I see a couple of possibilities here. The obvious one is that this player is coming from 3.5, where a +2 bonus to your primary attack stat is considered just fine -- especially since class choice generally overwhelms stat differences in the long run. This possibility can be taken care of by ensuring that the player understands just how important the attack bonus stat is in 4E. If that is the case, it should be dealt with quickly -- ability scores assignment is one of the few initial decisions that cannot be fixed by retraining. On the other hand, I could see a player who knows exactly what he is doing giving an assault swordmage from a race that has a bonus to strength but none to intelligence a 14 intelligence and a higher strength. Suppose he is aware of the Intelligent Blademaster feat but has other ideas for his initial feat -- say, multiclassing into a strength based melee class. His basic function of teleporting to make a basic attack against his marked foe would work just fine, and he can pick some class powers that are still reasonably effective when they miss -- so it is possible (albeit very difficult) to make a combat effective swordmage with that low of an intelligence. Still, I would not go that way -- my preference in this case has always been to have both strength and intelligence at 16+, with intelligence a point or 2 higher. [/QUOTE]
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